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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg with gene and with

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Chris we're back at the para cast with

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lots of fancy stuff to talk about later

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in the episode we'll be joined by Mack

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Maloney and we're going to go beyond

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area 51 for those of you who haven't

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even gotten to area 51 you know right

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now it's time to go beyond

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area 51 see what it leads us but one

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thing that's ever present in the UFO and

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paranormal fields is dissension in the

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ranks

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you know organizations splitting off

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from other organizations rival

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organizations starting stopping you know

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if we go back to the early days of MUFON

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Chris didn't it start off pretty much as

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a splinter group for a pro-v I did and

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down through the decades we've seen this

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time and time again I've had the

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pleasure of going out and addressing the

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LA MUFON group over the years three or

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four times and and they really do have a

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very strong you know I think fairly

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up-to-speed group they do tend to be a

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bit I don't know sort of true believer

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ish Steve Morello of course is the

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longtime head of of the chapter out

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there and I did finally meet him when I

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went out and spoke and and he's he's a

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very astute smart up-to-speed guy very

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good marketing his group the group they

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have there always turns out every month

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in about 75 to 100 people which is very

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good for a MUFON monthly meeting but I

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get the sense that part I don't know

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this for a fact but but if I had to

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venture a guess about this recent move

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which I think so is gonna surprise a lot

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of people that they have decided to to

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recreate their group into more of a full

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kind of full-service paranormal

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organization I think a lot of people

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like you and I have been animating on

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this show for years a lot of people

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sense that there's you know

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nected nests between various

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manifestations of of unexplained

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phenomena and I think the group out

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there wants to kind of kick the door

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open a little bit on other types of

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paranormal phenomena if you want to

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include UFOs in the in that category and

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hearing the same old thing

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a month in a month out speakers come in

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and and pretty much every month speakers

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come in and and present information that

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that the people who were up to speed or

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do they just squirm in their chairs roll

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their eyes because they've heard it all

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before so by opening it up as a

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paranormal group they'll be able to

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invite in speakers on a wide variety of

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topics instead of being pigeon-holed and

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come handcuffed by the UFO subject so

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that if I had to adventure at guess that

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would be my guess that they're there

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kind of opening up the possibilities for

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speakers and information that may all

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dovetail with UFOs but won't fall

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exclusively under that particular

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category so I think this is gonna that'd

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be the first of many moves that we see

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within MUFON and other groups that

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people are just gonna start branching

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out and and becoming more autonomous

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well the thing here is when you have

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something like that you have each of

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these groups being capable or presenting

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the threat or promise of starting a new

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national organization under a new

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umbrella and here we go again yeah I

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more of a grassroots kind of

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northwestern sort of LA area San

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Fernando Valley group that is going to

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be more active in other aspects of the

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paranormal obviously I've seen online

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already people say well the reason why

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they're doing this is because move on is

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a black hole all the reports come in and

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nothing comes out which no longer is

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true they do have a a digital database

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it's fairly unwieldy it's it's very

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difficult to to actually pull anything

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out of it but you can if you're if

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you're persistent and you know

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to properly language your search terms

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and and whatnot but I really have a

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sense that the real motivation for this

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is to open up the group to a wider

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variety of subject matter and speakers

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and and and I think that's a good thing

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because you know me Gina I've been

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champion this whole idea of

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interconnectedness for for many years

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and and if you're just a single subject

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a group you're you're handcuffed

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you'reyou're hogtied to that particular

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subject and you may want to try to

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branch out and bring in other other

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aspects of the so-called paranormal but

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the National Organization has some

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pretty strict guidelines and bylaws

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about about that and and I think that

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we're going to be seeing more groups

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pitting off obviously the political

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problems that MUFON has undergone some

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of the controversy around Robert Bigelow

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some of the kind of tempest in a teapot

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about the the latest director and his

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mile-high flights and I'm not worried

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about his business I don't care what he

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does for a living is they all roll up

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into a big sort of negative column in

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the equation and well obviously

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politically correct that's not I mean

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people don't talk about it in public

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that much but someone who does something

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like that you know it adds to the

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controversy faced by the organization

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but there's another issue too as

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listeners are listening to this episode

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of the power cast MUFON is having their

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annual event in Las Vegas and this year

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Steven Greer is one of the featured

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speakers know and you have to think here

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we have to look at the fact that Greer

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is a controversial figure maybe he's a

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draw maybe he brings people into the

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auditorium to pay but he also has done

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the very controversial things things

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that may not be so as they say kosher

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and therefore having

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that person featured more and over and

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above just having people talking about

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the fact that UFOs may not be a single

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phenomenon but related to other

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paranormal events that's one thing we're

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bringing in speakers who have a

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checkered history that doesn't look good

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for the organization and the one says

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anything about it you know that's true I

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mean lately there's been quite a bit of

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banner online about about a certain

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person I feel it's highly highly

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important in this field that's Rae

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Stanford now he as some people have

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pointed out over the past 50 years there

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have been times where he has gone kind

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of veered off the straight and narrow

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and gone into the realm of channeling

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gone into into the realm of attempting

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to help people with his higher self he's

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never claimed to channel Channel

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entities or beings it's always been his

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higher self speaking to his conscious

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self much to the you know that's that's

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not how people are looking at his past I

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think online which is highly inaccurate

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but with Steven Greer it's it's

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different

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the guy has pretty much maintained a

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very predictable course throughout his

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20 to 25 years of involvement in the

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field and he has come up with some very

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definitive declarations about what he

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thinks we're dealing with and one is

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that all ETS are positive and there is

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just volumes of information that show

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how this particular slam dunk sort of

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case-closed slam the door thinking is

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incorrect and we do have other things

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going on for instance he equates all

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abductions with the US military no I'm

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sorry that just doesn't that doesn't

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wash now granted the UFO phenomenon may

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or may not be involved in the abduction

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phenomenon although there's quite a body

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of circumstantial evidence it would

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suggest that but you can't make such

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blanket

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who are healthily skeptical open-minded

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but healthily skeptical

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you can't expect those people to really

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take you seriously and the fact that

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MUFON is grasping at straws and I think

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trying to get butts in the seats

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basically by by having Greer any time

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that he shows up at it had an event he's

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basically there because he's a draw we

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have to draw this to a close and it's a

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valid point of discussion which will

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continue on future episodes

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meantime Mack Maloney returns to the

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para casi the author of a new book

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called beyond area 51 let's check it out

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cast with Gian Chris now going back to

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November 27 2011 we featured Mac Maloney

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who was author of a new book called UFOs

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in wartime what they didn't want you to

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know it follows then that we look this

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time beyond area 51 and all those

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strange installations around the world

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and what they're really about and is the

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purpose more than just the military or

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civilians checking new test aircraft

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what's going on Mac welcome back first

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to the power cast actually having me

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back I appreciate it Beyond area 51

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anytime we hear area 51 the title it's a

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seller but how much of the book deals

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with area 51

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well almost none of it in fact the idea

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that I pitched to my editor was let's

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write a book about area 51 that isn't

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about area 51 because there were so many

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books out about area 51 I think it's

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been kind of you know I'm not done to

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death but you know there's a glut of

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them and there always seems to be so he

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wouldn't know what I meant I said you

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know there are many places around the

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world like area 51 that you don't really

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hear that much about so why don't we do

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a book on them instead so he said yes

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and you know this was the result here we

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okay before we go on maybe take a couple

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of minutes here in the end what do we

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know about area 51 good or bad and that

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would go into the other locations well

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what we know for sure is that it serves

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a legitimate military purpose it's a

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place where the US Air Force and the CIA

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to a certain extent test spy planes test

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new kinds of weapons always some kind of

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aeronautical test going on there there's

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for every kind of project secret project

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that finally comes out for us to see

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let's say but like the stealth fighter

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or other stealth bomber there are eight

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and nine that never see the light of day

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so they were always testing something

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out there something usually exotic and

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if it actually makes it into the

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production process we'll know about it

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you know anywhere from five to ten years

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that they definitely do things like that

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out there they used to do things like

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fly captured Russian airplanes to have

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our pilots dogfight against them and

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they would also pull them apart out

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there and and kind of see what made them

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tick those things we know they do there

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whether they have crashed UFOs there

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whether they have alien bodies there so

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on and so forth you know I don't think

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anyone really knows that you know on the

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outside within the UFO community

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obviously there's a lot of stories and

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rumors and everything but there's

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nothing to verify than anything like

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Pandora's nose I mean that's what j-rod

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is and the the god particle and all

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these like the annie jacobson didn't she

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say Josef Mengele was involved out there

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I mean I don't know if you believe any

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of that but I know boy I come across

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pretty dry this morning uh no I don't

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think all those things are going on

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there even the Bob Lazar story there's

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certain things that indicate that he may

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have been shown things to see if he

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would blab and then talk about well we

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go into that in the book and you know I

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found it a very reasonable explanation

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for why was I did what he did and I've

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heard lately now that he runs a company

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that does business exclusively with the

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Defense Department that was always a

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kind of rumor that he was really just a

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disinformation agent and they what we go

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into a little bit in the book is that

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maybe the reason he did what he did was

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before he came out and told the story

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about

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a post Lake and s4 in these places the

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Russians used to have a satellite go

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over area 51 sometimes twice a day but

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on a regular basis after history went

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out the Russians actually diverted their

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satellites to go over a proposed lake

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instead and that gave a break to the

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people who are working at area 51 on

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these secret airplanes because what they

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would have to do is and they knew the

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Russian satellite was coming over they

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had to you know push the thing into the

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hangar and hide it until the satellite

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went over and then later on when the

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Russians had infrared satellites they

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could actually take a picture of the

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heat signature on the ground and they

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could tell a lot just by the shape of

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the heat signature so if they couldn't

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even get the Russians to stop looking at

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area 51 by a factor of 50 percent that

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would have been a victory and that's

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exactly what happened after lizandkev up

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with his story so you know if that's

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true as a brilliant disinformation

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campaign that worked all right so let's

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just go through this one more time Bob

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Lazar therefore would have been meant to

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be a deliberate effort at government

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misinformation disinformation yes I'm

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not even sure there's a difference but

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yes he was a disinformation agent it's

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something that they do all the time and

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you know intelligence projects you know

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we just don't hear about them but you

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know spy stories are filled with them

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it's one of the things that that they do

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this disinformation deflect

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things like that and if you kind of look

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at it in that light in the fact that

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Russian satellites did divert it over

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Papoose Lake at least for a while then

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you know it kind of makes more sense

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than the fact that he was running into

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aliens and and you know saw it crashed

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UFOs flying and things of that nature

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unfortunately people take Lazar

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seriously some do some feel he was an

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honest broker involved in something

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maybe a little bit over his head you

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know maybe maybe he got a no versed at

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being a government agent but I but

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people have told me and I know I don't

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think it's any big secret now then he

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runs a company that deals with the

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Defense Department selling buying and

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selling certain items that you know

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aren't readily available on the open

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market you know so I mean if he was

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someone who

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was who he claimed he was the Defense

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Department certainly wouldn't be doing

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business with him now ah well that's

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something that's an indication there of

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fakery but is there any chance any

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possibility at all that the goings on

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area 51 do involve our paranormal

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universe well in a way I'd like to think

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so but you know I just didn't see any

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concrete evidence of course there's a

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lot of evidence out there that is not

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concrete

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but I've known people who who have been

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out there I know people who have flown

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out of there I know the person used to

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be the public affairs officer for the

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place and you know of course when you

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ask these people questions you know

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they're not going to tell you you know

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what if there are UFOs out there or not

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but it just doesn't seem to be any kind

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of concrete evidence that anything is

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going on out there that has to do with

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the paranormal now how are we flying

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things that may you know look like UFOs

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when they airborne at night

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sure anything is possible who knows what

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kind of an advancement they had you know

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aviation wise out there but you know

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there's just no evidence now or in the

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past that indicates that anything is

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going on at area 51 other than you know

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testing of top-secret aircraft okay now

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in looking at these other installations

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around the world going beyond area 51

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are they also strictly places to do

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military testing or is there something

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more exotic than the conventional well

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that's the thing that's what we try to

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look into in you know we just present

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evidence and you know the reader for the

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most part has to make up their own mind

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but I can't tell you that these bases

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that means that some of them are

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military bases some of them are just

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areas like the st. Louie Valley where no

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matter what they're doing out there

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every one of these places with the

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exception of two has some kind of a UFO

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history to it and and that in itself I

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think is very interesting a lot of the

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secret bases are bases where they do

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highly classified work here in the

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United States Kirtland Air Force Base

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being one in New Mexico homestead Air

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Force Base that used to be down in

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Florida places like that and certainly

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the bases that surround brac at the same

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Louie Valley

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in Colorado you know they they all have

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highly classified things going on and

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yet they all have this kind of history

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of UFO sightings people spotting UFOs

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people seeing planes you know

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disappearing all kinds of stuff and

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we'll have more kinds of stuff coming

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right up lots of stuff to present with

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Mack baloney I'm gene and he's Chris

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this is the wrong flag laughter of the

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UFO on cycle feet other looks when

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with gene and Chris we've got Mack

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Milani we're looking beyond area 51 two

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other installations around the world

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that may serve the same purpose or some

626
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more intriguing purposes but with the

627
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rumor is still existing in the UFO field

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that somewhere we are looking over the

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wreckage of a crashed UFO is there any

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evidence anywhere that such a thing is

631
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happening no there's no concrete

632
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evidence no we have a story in there

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that you know we've I've been following

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for a few years and we looked into it

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for the book about the semi-famous about

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Jackie Gleason and Richard Nixon at

637
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homestead Air Force Base the story goes

638
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that back in 1974 Nixon Nixon discovered

639
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that Gleason was a huge UFO fan which he

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was brought him to a hangar at homestead

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Air Force Base and supposedly showed him

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a crashed UFO and also the bodies of the

643
00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:15,330
occupants there's some interesting

644
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threads of evidence for that but you

645
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know we just kind of report what the

646
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story is and people really have to kind

647
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of make up their mind whether it's true

648
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or not one thing we know for sure is

649
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Jackie Gleason was very much into UFOs

650
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and he not that was just one incident in

651
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his in his lifetime where he was trying

652
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to convince people that UFOs existed so

653
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if Nixon had actually showed him a

654
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crashed UFO dead occupants that would

655
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have just reinforced his belief that you

656
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know these things have from somewhere

657
00:28:54,050 --> 00:28:51,060
else and that they exist well I know

658
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:54,060
that Jackie Gleason had a skeptical

659
00:28:58,910 --> 00:28:56,970
approach to UFOs he was a guest on the

660
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Long John Neville radio show a number of

661
00:29:05,150 --> 00:29:02,130
times so that's certainly accurate when

662
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:05,160
he died he had 2,000 UFO related books

663
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in his library that his wife donated to

664
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the University of Miami his house up in

665
00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:12,360
upstate New York was like a flying

666
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:16,110
saucer and the story is is that I think

667
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what why people discounted the story in

668
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the past is that young the start the way

669
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the story goes is that they were golfing

670
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buddies they seemed like two very

671
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opposite people Nixon and Gleason

672
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but they were golfing buddies they lived

673
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down south of Miami Nixon had a house

674
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down that Key Biscayne and Gleason lived

675
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down there for a good part of the year

676
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and they were golfing one day and

677
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:38,740
Gleeson you know mentioned that he was

678
00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:41,049
into UFOs and then supposedly that night

679
00:29:43,980 --> 00:29:41,710
around midnight

680
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:43,990
Nixon knocks at his door Nixon's alone

681
00:29:48,090 --> 00:29:46,570
in a car and he brings Jackie Gleason to

682
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:48,100
homestead Air Force Base and shows him

683
00:29:52,289 --> 00:29:49,570
this thing so people say well how can

684
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Nixon be out without his Secret Service

685
00:29:55,860 --> 00:29:54,130
detail well turns out he used to give

686
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them the slip all the time he used to

687
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just ride around by himself he hated

688
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:00,970
having the Secret Service around in

689
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:03,850
those days people didn't care right you

690
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:05,289
know I mean he was in the midst of the

691
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:07,570
Watergate scandal he'd be gone in a few

692
00:30:11,850 --> 00:30:10,000
months maybe kind of unusual thing for

693
00:30:14,370 --> 00:30:11,860
him to do but you know who knows you

694
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,380
know and then later on Jackie Gleason's

695
00:30:18,779 --> 00:30:16,720
his estranged wife gave an interview to

696
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a magazine in which he kind of recounted

697
00:30:23,250 --> 00:30:21,100
this thing and when Gleason found out

698
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:23,260
about it he was furious and there's some

699
00:30:28,590 --> 00:30:25,210
people say that that was the last straw

700
00:30:31,169 --> 00:30:28,600
and that's why he divorced her so you

701
00:30:32,580 --> 00:30:31,179
know there's it it seems like a and I

702
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:32,590
don't know kind of affiant axis

703
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:34,330
fantastic story when you first look at

704
00:30:38,430 --> 00:30:36,010
but when you look a little bit deeper

705
00:30:40,019 --> 00:30:38,440
into it you know as I said there's a few

706
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:40,029
more threads of evidence there than you

707
00:30:45,779 --> 00:30:42,970
would think okay but how do we prove

708
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:45,789
such as tale today I don't know you know

709
00:30:50,250 --> 00:30:48,610
I don't know I do know that well the the

710
00:30:52,409 --> 00:30:50,260
way that the book is constructed the

711
00:30:54,570 --> 00:30:52,419
first chapter I go out and have some

712
00:30:56,580 --> 00:30:54,580
have a few beers with a friend of mine

713
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who works in the intelligence agencies

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works with the intelligence agency

715
00:31:03,299 --> 00:31:00,059
someone I've known since grade school I

716
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:03,309
asked him can you please kind of guide

717
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:06,250
me you know here and there I would send

718
00:31:09,570 --> 00:31:07,690
him portions of the book once I had

719
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:09,580
written the first draft and I asked him

720
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can you tell me if I'm too far off here

721
00:31:17,639 --> 00:31:14,770
and so on and he also agreed to meet

722
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with me after the book was was completed

723
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:19,539
and someone said the other day that he's

724
00:31:23,130 --> 00:31:21,490
like Miley's ghost walking with me

725
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through the Christmas but it isn't quite

726
00:31:26,399 --> 00:31:24,700
like that but he pops up every once in a

727
00:31:28,769 --> 00:31:26,409
while but you just give kind of like the

728
00:31:31,919 --> 00:31:28,779
intelligent communities do about

729
00:31:34,980 --> 00:31:31,929
different places we talked about let me

730
00:31:36,210 --> 00:31:34,990
ask very quickly this is a real guy yes

731
00:31:39,779 --> 00:31:36,220
oh yeah yeah okay because sometimes

732
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:39,789
people have these alter egos no nobody

733
00:31:42,299 --> 00:31:40,570
else

734
00:31:43,860 --> 00:31:42,309
real guy in just someone'll as I say

735
00:31:46,110 --> 00:31:43,870
grow up in the hood and digester with

736
00:31:48,899 --> 00:31:46,120
them and you know he I went my way and

737
00:31:52,379 --> 00:31:48,909
he went his and we got back together and

738
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:52,389
we we hooked up again and he was someone

739
00:31:56,669 --> 00:31:54,250
who had spent 25 years in the Army a lot

740
00:31:58,409 --> 00:31:56,679
of it enemy intelligence and now you

741
00:32:02,129 --> 00:31:58,419
know works for the three-letter agencies

742
00:32:04,620 --> 00:32:02,139
and he told me that he was at MacDill

743
00:32:06,090 --> 00:32:04,630
Air Force Base in Florida and and that

744
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:06,100
someone had told him that whatever was

745
00:32:11,249 --> 00:32:08,529
at Homestead had been moved to MacDill

746
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:11,259
now is is what was at Homestead the

747
00:32:15,090 --> 00:32:13,360
flying saucer that in the bodies that

748
00:32:16,830 --> 00:32:15,100
Jackie Gleason was shown by Richard

749
00:32:19,499 --> 00:32:16,840
Nixon I don't know but something very

750
00:32:21,690 --> 00:32:19,509
very secret moved from Homestead after

751
00:32:23,639 --> 00:32:21,700
Hurricane Andrew really basically blew

752
00:32:26,940 --> 00:32:23,649
it off the map and now is that MacDill

753
00:32:30,029 --> 00:32:26,950
so whatever it is it's there okay what

754
00:32:32,940 --> 00:32:30,039
about something like Roswell if there

755
00:32:36,450 --> 00:32:32,950
was a crash of a UFO at Roswell where

756
00:32:39,090 --> 00:32:36,460
would the wreckage be now what about the

757
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:39,100
bodies of aliens this is obviously a

758
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:41,679
theory that is compounded by another

759
00:32:46,379 --> 00:32:45,039
theory well the point of the book too is

760
00:32:50,009 --> 00:32:46,389
that there are just many many more

761
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:50,019
places than area 51 in fact the original

762
00:32:53,610 --> 00:32:51,970
idea for the book was years ago I talked

763
00:32:55,470 --> 00:32:53,620
to this person who had been out there

764
00:32:57,060 --> 00:32:55,480
several times not doing intelligence

765
00:32:59,519 --> 00:32:57,070
work but basically working on the

766
00:33:01,409 --> 00:32:59,529
airplanes that flew out of there and I

767
00:33:03,779 --> 00:33:01,419
said you know other places they carry 52

768
00:33:05,879 --> 00:33:03,789
53 54 and so I know they basically asked

769
00:33:07,409 --> 00:33:05,889
them are there other places out there in

770
00:33:08,850 --> 00:33:07,419
that desert that vest does it that we

771
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:08,860
don't know about he said sure there's a

772
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:10,210
there's a number of them there in other

773
00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:11,919
places in the southwest and that's

774
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:14,769
really the idea for the book so you know

775
00:33:18,749 --> 00:33:17,289
if there was a crash at Roswell which I

776
00:33:20,190 --> 00:33:18,759
don't really don't believe there was and

777
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:20,200
I know I'm not being in much fun today

778
00:33:22,110 --> 00:33:21,610
but I don't believe anything happened

779
00:33:23,940 --> 00:33:22,120
there either

780
00:33:25,649 --> 00:33:23,950
you know what I'll ask you about that in

781
00:33:27,419 --> 00:33:25,659
a moment the let's go to the answer to

782
00:33:29,610 --> 00:33:27,429
the original question then we'll last

783
00:33:32,180 --> 00:33:29,620
your opinion about Roswell well I was I

784
00:33:34,409 --> 00:33:32,190
was going to say if it seemed like the

785
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:34,419
the most likely place you would bring

786
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:36,490
something like the Roswell debris would

787
00:33:40,139 --> 00:33:38,320
be to area 51 but what I'm saying is

788
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:40,149
there's a number of other places we've

789
00:33:44,730 --> 00:33:43,210
never heard that that if you had

790
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:44,740
material like that you're more likely

791
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:46,809
bring it there than area 51 or

792
00:33:49,740 --> 00:33:48,490
wright-patterson or any of these places

793
00:33:51,810 --> 00:33:49,750
you bring it to a place that is

794
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:51,820
absolutely secret and they are out there

795
00:33:57,390 --> 00:33:53,770
for example

796
00:33:59,880 --> 00:33:57,400
well one place is which is very unusual

797
00:34:02,700 --> 00:33:59,890
as a place called Tonopah Tonopah test

798
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:02,710
range at 105 Tonopah air force base it's

799
00:34:06,750 --> 00:34:04,809
in the middle of Nevada it's about 100

800
00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:06,760
miles north of area 51

801
00:34:11,790 --> 00:34:08,889
also known as Tonopah air force base

802
00:34:13,169 --> 00:34:11,800
this is the place that during in the 70s

803
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:13,179
they tested the stealth fighter in

804
00:34:17,220 --> 00:34:15,010
complete secrecy for ten years they only

805
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:17,230
flew it at night everyone who was at the

806
00:34:21,540 --> 00:34:18,730
base was under you know strict

807
00:34:23,070 --> 00:34:21,550
conservative acuity concerns anyone who

808
00:34:24,419 --> 00:34:23,080
in the small town nearby who knew about

809
00:34:26,129 --> 00:34:24,429
it kept their mouth shut

810
00:34:28,290 --> 00:34:26,139
there was a lot of people involved in

811
00:34:29,460 --> 00:34:28,300
this and not one bit of information ever

812
00:34:32,100 --> 00:34:29,470
leaked out about the stealth fighter

813
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:32,110
until it was very close to being

814
00:34:38,070 --> 00:34:35,290
revealed anyway the stealth fighter has

815
00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:38,080
been out of Tonopah now for almost 15

816
00:34:42,330 --> 00:34:40,510
years and but they have this huge

817
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:42,340
infrastructure there that was built

818
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:46,570
simply to hide classified projects it's

819
00:34:50,220 --> 00:34:48,129
still there and as someone once told me

820
00:34:51,389 --> 00:34:50,230
things top-secret is very expensive so

821
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:51,399
it isn't like the government's gonna go

822
00:34:55,169 --> 00:34:53,110
build another place when they have a

823
00:34:56,250 --> 00:34:55,179
place on the map that they know they can

824
00:35:00,300 --> 00:34:56,260
keep something secret

825
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:00,310
so if if I was in charge and I had to

826
00:35:04,170 --> 00:35:02,050
brief I'm a UFO and I wanted to be it

827
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:04,180
absolutely secret one of the places I

828
00:35:08,460 --> 00:35:06,400
would consider is definitely Tonopah

829
00:35:10,740 --> 00:35:08,470
test range all right

830
00:35:14,130 --> 00:35:10,750
but let's go back to the next question

831
00:35:16,349 --> 00:35:14,140
that follows Roswell what do you think

832
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:16,359
happened was it a mogul balloon like the

833
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:19,210
Air Force says or what yes I think it

834
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:22,330
was it was um something that I mean

835
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:23,890
there was a cover-up but the cover-up

836
00:35:28,830 --> 00:35:27,010
involved sending these balloons over

837
00:35:30,930 --> 00:35:28,840
Russia with acoustic devices on them to

838
00:35:34,410 --> 00:35:30,940
see if the Russians were testing nuclear

839
00:35:36,090 --> 00:35:34,420
weapons at the time Russia was not quite

840
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:36,100
our ally but they were in our enemy and

841
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:37,930
that would have been inconvenient if

842
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:40,240
they knew we were spying on them they

843
00:35:45,210 --> 00:35:41,530
didn't want anyone to know that we had

844
00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:45,220
this capability so I suppose it you know

845
00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:46,780
when one of them crashed someone had the

846
00:35:50,370 --> 00:35:48,790
bright idea to stay well look at we

847
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:50,380
can't say it was one these five ones so

848
00:35:53,310 --> 00:35:51,850
we'll say it's a flying saucer because

849
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:53,320
flying saucers had just been caught up

850
00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:56,050
discovered yeah just not even two weeks

851
00:35:59,730 --> 00:35:58,210
before by Kenneth Arnold so you know

852
00:36:01,470 --> 00:35:59,740
that raises an interesting question and

853
00:36:03,390 --> 00:36:01,480
we'll go into it in the next segment

854
00:36:07,290 --> 00:36:03,400
before we go back to the secret bases

855
00:36:07,980 --> 00:36:07,300
and that is how often we have done

856
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:07,990
things in

857
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,960
secret and made people believe it was

858
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:12,400
really a flying saucer

859
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:15,010
in other words reverse secrecy or to put

860
00:36:19,859 --> 00:36:17,170
it more precisely some sort of

861
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government disinformation working to a

862
00:36:23,490 --> 00:36:21,520
different goal and by the way if you

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970
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installations you may not have heard

972
00:41:23,590 --> 00:41:19,580
about we're secret things are going on

973
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:23,600
with Jean and Chris okay so you get the

974
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:25,310
point Mac Maloney of what I'm saying

975
00:41:33,150 --> 00:41:28,640
that maybe the military our government

976
00:41:36,430 --> 00:41:33,160
has used flying saucers as an excuse to

977
00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:36,440
cover up perfectly conventional testing

978
00:41:40,780 --> 00:41:39,200
yeah I think absolutely they have done

979
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:40,790
that because there's been stories in the

980
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past and not in this book particularly

981
00:41:48,820 --> 00:41:46,340
but where they would test a new spy

982
00:41:51,460 --> 00:41:48,830
plane or something and and they would

983
00:41:53,050 --> 00:41:51,470
actually fly it over a city in the

984
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:53,060
daytime just to see how many people

985
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would see it just to see what their

986
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:56,510
visibility factor was for this new

987
00:42:00,490 --> 00:41:58,370
airplane and then you know but people

988
00:42:02,860 --> 00:42:00,500
would report reported as UFO and you

989
00:42:05,350 --> 00:42:02,870
know with the ridicule fact they're

990
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:05,360
attached to UFOs you know the story

991
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:07,490
would just die out in a few days let me

992
00:42:13,300 --> 00:42:09,770
ask you the obvious question then is do

993
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:13,310
you believe there are UFOs i absolutely

994
00:42:17,710 --> 00:42:15,290
believe there are UFOs I mean UFOs exist

995
00:42:19,630 --> 00:42:17,720
people see them all the time there's

996
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:19,640
something like 1000 reported around the

997
00:42:22,990 --> 00:42:21,110
world every month and you know some of

998
00:42:25,330 --> 00:42:23,000
them are a lot of them are young turn

999
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:25,340
out to be kind of conventional answers

1000
00:42:29,050 --> 00:42:27,200
but there are there's a good percentage

1001
00:42:31,570 --> 00:42:29,060
that no one can explain them at all

1002
00:42:32,830 --> 00:42:31,580
they've been caught on film airline

1003
00:42:35,170 --> 00:42:32,840
pilots see them all the time

1004
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:35,180
fighter pilots military pilots see them

1005
00:42:38,890 --> 00:42:36,410
all the time they just can't talk about

1006
00:42:41,140 --> 00:42:38,900
them we see them all the time

1007
00:42:44,170 --> 00:42:41,150
it's just that you know UFOs exist we

1008
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:44,180
just don't know what they are or where

1009
00:42:47,980 --> 00:42:45,890
they come from and and I don't believe

1010
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:47,990
the military knows where they come from

1011
00:42:51,610 --> 00:42:50,000
either they may know more about them

1012
00:42:54,220 --> 00:42:51,620
they Moorhead might have more like

1013
00:42:55,450 --> 00:42:54,230
footage of them and evidence of them but

1014
00:42:58,180 --> 00:42:55,460
I don't believe that they know where

1015
00:43:02,170 --> 00:42:58,190
they come from any more than we do let's

1016
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,180
go back to the bases okay now are all

1017
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:04,160
the bases you're talking about in the

1018
00:43:09,550 --> 00:43:06,890
book already known or did you discover

1019
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:09,560
some new ones well I didn't discover any

1020
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:11,450
new ones that's for sure but they are

1021
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,450
certainly underreported or never

1022
00:43:18,750 --> 00:43:16,720
reported on at all because here

1023
00:43:20,340 --> 00:43:18,760
51 always seems to get all the press

1024
00:43:21,930 --> 00:43:20,350
which young there are there are some

1025
00:43:24,420 --> 00:43:21,940
people who believe that's just the point

1026
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:24,430
area 51 is the most well known secret

1027
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:26,770
base in the world and it deflects once

1028
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:30,970
again from these other places just ones

1029
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:33,520
that I didn't realize you know existed

1030
00:43:38,940 --> 00:43:35,890
Pine Gap in Australia I had no idea how

1031
00:43:43,050 --> 00:43:38,950
extensive that place was we look we try

1032
00:43:45,330 --> 00:43:43,060
to find Britain's area 51 and with the

1033
00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:45,340
help of Nick Aaron and Nick Pope we come

1034
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:47,110
up with like a top ten and we we go

1035
00:43:50,340 --> 00:43:48,490
right down the evidence and we think

1036
00:43:52,290 --> 00:43:50,350
that we have found it at a place called

1037
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:52,300
red low mana which just happens to be

1038
00:43:59,040 --> 00:43:56,290
near Stonehenge there is a very strange

1039
00:44:02,460 --> 00:43:59,050
place in China called hanging Tang which

1040
00:44:05,130 --> 00:44:02,470
you know is just almost impossible to

1041
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:05,140
figure out exactly what's going on there

1042
00:44:09,690 --> 00:44:06,730
but but a lot of people think it has to

1043
00:44:12,510 --> 00:44:09,700
do with UFOs of course in Russia there's

1044
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:12,520
Kapusta nyaan which is a very another

1045
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:14,110
very strange place it's kind of like the

1046
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:16,510
combination okay can everyone area 51

1047
00:44:20,370 --> 00:44:18,880
and they do regular convential rocket

1048
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:20,380
blast offs there but they also have

1049
00:44:24,750 --> 00:44:22,240
nuclear weapons and exotic weapons there

1050
00:44:28,050 --> 00:44:24,760
and that places has a long very long UFO

1051
00:44:30,780 --> 00:44:28,060
history so I'm sure there are other

1052
00:44:32,910 --> 00:44:30,790
secret bases out there that you know

1053
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:32,920
certainly we didn't discover them and I

1054
00:44:36,750 --> 00:44:34,480
think it would be very hard to discover

1055
00:44:37,950 --> 00:44:36,760
them but as my spook friend tells me at

1056
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:37,960
the end of the book and the book has

1057
00:44:41,580 --> 00:44:39,520
kind of a surprised ending even though

1058
00:44:43,740 --> 00:44:41,590
it's a nonfiction book if they want to

1059
00:44:45,330 --> 00:44:43,750
hide something that is really really

1060
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:45,340
really deep deep secret

1061
00:44:49,170 --> 00:44:47,650
they might not hide it at a secret base

1062
00:44:51,660 --> 00:44:49,180
they might just hide it in plain sight

1063
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:51,670
because in the end that's the best way

1064
00:44:55,620 --> 00:44:53,170
and the best place to hide something

1065
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:55,630
like that Chris you want to pick up on

1066
00:45:02,340 --> 00:44:58,480
some questions well obviously Mac when

1067
00:45:04,530 --> 00:45:02,350
we look at area 51 the first thing that

1068
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:04,540
comes to mind is it's as you mentioned

1069
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:06,930
it's a red herring it's like a way to

1070
00:45:13,530 --> 00:45:10,330
focus attention on to a place that is

1071
00:45:15,630 --> 00:45:13,540
you know obviously secret but I think

1072
00:45:17,340 --> 00:45:15,640
it's really important to underscore what

1073
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:17,350
you were saying is that there are things

1074
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:19,690
going on elsewhere what what was some of

1075
00:45:25,260 --> 00:45:23,250
the most impressive locations that you

1076
00:45:28,170 --> 00:45:25,270
list in your book and that you've

1077
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:28,180
researched and investigated well the one

1078
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:29,920
that really struck me was

1079
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:33,040
Tec down in the down in the Caribbean

1080
00:45:38,130 --> 00:45:35,920
now this is a place that it's that's an

1081
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:38,140
acronym and it's a it's people call it

1082
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:41,200
the Navy's area 51 and maybe really has

1083
00:45:46,740 --> 00:45:43,890
an interesting history with UFOs because

1084
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:46,750
when people you know talked about UFOs

1085
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:48,160
want to complain to the military about

1086
00:45:51,210 --> 00:45:49,930
UFOs this always goes to the Air Force

1087
00:45:52,829 --> 00:45:51,220
you know because they're the Air Force

1088
00:45:54,690 --> 00:45:52,839
but the Navy always kind of gets a pass

1089
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:54,700
on it but we know that they have never

1090
00:45:59,400 --> 00:45:56,770
released any UFO FILES even going back

1091
00:46:01,859 --> 00:45:59,410
to World War two so I was kind of

1092
00:46:03,450 --> 00:46:01,869
surprised to find out that they had

1093
00:46:05,309 --> 00:46:03,460
built one of them most secret bases

1094
00:46:07,859 --> 00:46:05,319
literally right in the middle of the

1095
00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:07,869
Bermuda Triangle and it's on this island

1096
00:46:13,020 --> 00:46:10,569
of Andros in the Bahamas it's this

1097
00:46:15,780 --> 00:46:13,030
highly secret place Wow that is next to

1098
00:46:18,780 --> 00:46:15,790
a ocean trench called tongue of the

1099
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:18,790
ocean and once again they do legitimate

1100
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:20,290
testing there because we talked to

1101
00:46:24,990 --> 00:46:22,089
people who have been assigned there and

1102
00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:25,000
also Navy people who have gone there for

1103
00:46:28,770 --> 00:46:26,710
training and in what they do is they

1104
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:28,780
bring like the new nuclear submarines

1105
00:46:34,140 --> 00:46:30,880
there and they test them out at these

1106
00:46:36,270 --> 00:46:34,150
lower depths and so on but the place is

1107
00:46:37,859 --> 00:46:36,280
filled with monitoring equipment where

1108
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:37,869
they can see anything coming in the

1109
00:46:42,690 --> 00:46:39,760
ocean for hundreds and hundreds of miles

1110
00:46:43,799 --> 00:46:42,700
away and it also has extensive radar and

1111
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:43,809
things like that so they can see

1112
00:46:48,930 --> 00:46:45,730
anything coming in the air from hundreds

1113
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:48,940
of miles away yet we go into great depth

1114
00:46:53,250 --> 00:46:51,250
I just a it just scratched the surface

1115
00:46:55,140 --> 00:46:53,260
of the number of UFO reports that have

1116
00:46:57,720 --> 00:46:55,150
come out of that area over the years not

1117
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:57,730
just UFOs but us OHS unidentified

1118
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:00,160
submerge objects people in on boats and

1119
00:47:04,170 --> 00:47:02,710
yachts in the Bahamas seen UFOs come out

1120
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:04,180
of the water and fly away at a

1121
00:47:07,470 --> 00:47:06,490
tremendous speed there's so many of them

1122
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:07,480
we couldn't we could have written a

1123
00:47:11,309 --> 00:47:09,280
whole book about them so we just take

1124
00:47:12,930 --> 00:47:11,319
the best and and so but when people

1125
00:47:14,370 --> 00:47:12,940
questioned the Navy about this the Navy

1126
00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:14,380
always says well you know we don't

1127
00:47:18,750 --> 00:47:16,569
believe in the Bermuda Triangle we don't

1128
00:47:20,339 --> 00:47:18,760
believe in UFOs therefore we don't know

1129
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:20,349
anything about this so what that tells

1130
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:24,400
you is that that either all that built

1131
00:47:28,049 --> 00:47:26,410
multi-billion dollar monitoring

1132
00:47:29,609 --> 00:47:28,059
equipment they have down there for

1133
00:47:31,859 --> 00:47:29,619
looking for things in the ocean looking

1134
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:31,869
for it things in the sky doesn't work or

1135
00:47:36,900 --> 00:47:35,049
they're lying they have to know all of

1136
00:47:39,809 --> 00:47:36,910
this activity down there because they're

1137
00:47:41,549 --> 00:47:39,819
wired for sound everywhere down there

1138
00:47:43,470 --> 00:47:41,559
so I think that's a very very

1139
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:43,480
interesting place why would

1140
00:47:48,210 --> 00:47:46,480
place that tests nuclear submarines why

1141
00:47:50,099 --> 00:47:48,220
would there be so many UFO sightings

1142
00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:50,109
around it over the years

1143
00:47:54,930 --> 00:47:51,910
once again it's one of these bases that

1144
00:47:57,570 --> 00:47:54,940
has a secret and has a long UFO history

1145
00:48:00,900 --> 00:47:57,580
attached to Chris it's gonna mention

1146
00:48:04,530 --> 00:48:00,910
that Mac also that area around the north

1147
00:48:08,340 --> 00:48:04,540
eastern corner of Puerto Rico around

1148
00:48:10,620 --> 00:48:08,350
like yunkai I believe was the name of

1149
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:10,630
the the mountainous region era the the

1150
00:48:15,210 --> 00:48:13,330
park that's there quite a number of UFO

1151
00:48:18,810 --> 00:48:15,220
sightings the continental shelf drops

1152
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:18,820
off really dramatically right off the

1153
00:48:23,970 --> 00:48:21,280
coast of Puerto Rico there and in like

1154
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:23,980
Andros what do you think about the

1155
00:48:29,580 --> 00:48:26,650
possibility of underground facilities or

1156
00:48:31,260 --> 00:48:29,590
underwater in this case facilities there

1157
00:48:32,970 --> 00:48:31,270
do we have any sort of smoking-gun

1158
00:48:35,310 --> 00:48:32,980
evidence to suggest that we have an

1159
00:48:37,859 --> 00:48:35,320
infrastructure underwater in that area

1160
00:48:38,430 --> 00:48:37,869
well I didn't see any smoking gun

1161
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:38,440
evidence

1162
00:48:42,330 --> 00:48:41,050
I don't bill birnes who I talked to when

1163
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:42,340
we put in the book together I know that

1164
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:45,010
he believes that that there could be

1165
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:46,960
underground underwater tunnels there

1166
00:48:51,150 --> 00:48:48,730
that actually bring submarines through

1167
00:48:54,660 --> 00:48:51,160
these into these secret bases that might

1168
00:48:56,550 --> 00:48:54,670
be located under Andros Island you know

1169
00:48:58,580 --> 00:48:56,560
with any kind of secret base like that

1170
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:58,590
you know we're only going to know a

1171
00:49:02,340 --> 00:49:00,880
fraction of the story and you know

1172
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:02,350
really who knows what's going on at

1173
00:49:07,590 --> 00:49:05,200
these places you know but any evidence

1174
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:07,600
of you know UFOs or anything like that

1175
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:10,480
at the navy's quote-unquote eerie 51 you

1176
00:49:13,950 --> 00:49:11,650
know we couldn't find anything like that

1177
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:13,960
but the but the interesting thing again

1178
00:49:18,510 --> 00:49:16,330
just to repeat myself is that so much

1179
00:49:20,250 --> 00:49:18,520
UFO activity goes on there Andros Island

1180
00:49:22,890 --> 00:49:20,260
and I agree with you down near Puerto

1181
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:22,900
Rico - but so much goes on around Andros

1182
00:49:26,730 --> 00:49:24,850
Island and we just got so many newspaper

1183
00:49:28,349 --> 00:49:26,740
reports and stuff that for the Navy to

1184
00:49:30,780 --> 00:49:28,359
say that they don't realize this stuff

1185
00:49:33,060 --> 00:49:30,790
is happening they have to be misleading

1186
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:33,070
us because they'd be almost too stupid

1187
00:49:37,099 --> 00:49:35,290
to do what they do if they didn't see

1188
00:49:40,260 --> 00:49:37,109
this stuff happening

1189
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:40,270
well you can't assume anything but on

1190
00:49:46,050 --> 00:49:42,490
that particular assumption one would

1191
00:49:48,540 --> 00:49:46,060
hope that our Navy is a little bit more

1192
00:49:50,220 --> 00:49:48,550
vigilant than they claim to be I agree

1193
00:49:53,609 --> 00:49:50,230
with you of course you're also wondering

1194
00:49:56,580 --> 00:49:53,619
that time where military budgets are not

1195
00:49:59,280 --> 00:49:56,590
increasing as much as they used to

1196
00:50:01,890 --> 00:49:59,290
whether these various secret bases are

1197
00:50:05,610 --> 00:50:01,900
being closed down or maybe they fund

1198
00:50:07,770 --> 00:50:05,620
them through a different method so the

1199
00:50:09,930 --> 00:50:07,780
budget that we are aware of the public

1200
00:50:11,490 --> 00:50:09,940
budget isn't involved like a black

1201
00:50:13,950 --> 00:50:11,500
budget or something like that where do

1202
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:13,960
you hide the money in $900 toilet seats

1203
00:50:18,210 --> 00:50:16,570
as someone once said well yet we'll have

1204
00:50:20,010 --> 00:50:18,220
to get the answer to that question in a

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1286
00:54:16,599 --> 00:54:14,450
Chris in the power cast we're talking

1287
00:54:20,170 --> 00:54:16,609
about the new book from Mack Maloney

1288
00:54:23,020 --> 00:54:20,180
called Beyond area 51 and we're not just

1289
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:23,030
going beyond we're going beyond beyond

1290
00:54:27,250 --> 00:54:25,010
and way beyond or something of that

1291
00:54:29,079 --> 00:54:27,260
nature I haven't really gotten a handle

1292
00:54:32,010 --> 00:54:29,089
on how far beyond or maybe we're going

1293
00:54:34,750 --> 00:54:32,020
one step beyond is that a possibility

1294
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:34,760
you know you ever heard of that TV show

1295
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:37,250
one step beyond I used to watch it all

1296
00:54:42,250 --> 00:54:39,200
the time all right so I guess the issue

1297
00:54:46,900 --> 00:54:42,260
we're kind of focusing on here is what

1298
00:54:49,140 --> 00:54:46,910
about hiding the money or having to cut

1299
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:49,150
back well I don't think they cut back

1300
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:51,680
there is there are black budgets that

1301
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:54,559
they hide all the time special select

1302
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:56,690
committee of senators and I think people

1303
00:55:01,210 --> 00:54:58,880
in the house can vote on these things

1304
00:55:03,970 --> 00:55:01,220
but they're always in secret supposedly

1305
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:03,980
the CIA's budget is something like 35 to

1306
00:55:10,210 --> 00:55:07,599
40 billion dollars a year other kind of

1307
00:55:12,339 --> 00:55:10,220
classified projects that the military is

1308
00:55:13,630 --> 00:55:12,349
going to get involved in especially if

1309
00:55:16,030 --> 00:55:13,640
it's something that eventually is going

1310
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:16,040
to wind up in the hands of the CIA those

1311
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:19,010
things are also kept you know classified

1312
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:21,200
and in the black budget so at one point

1313
00:55:25,740 --> 00:55:23,599
I'm gonna say two or three years ago

1314
00:55:29,289 --> 00:55:25,750
someone told me that the the overall

1315
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:29,299
classified top secret CIA Special

1316
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:30,890
Projects budget in this country is

1317
00:55:35,710 --> 00:55:32,720
somewhere between 70 and 80 billion

1318
00:55:37,660 --> 00:55:35,720
dollars a year every year and they

1319
00:55:42,190 --> 00:55:37,670
really fight for that money you can be

1320
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:42,200
sure like the CIA it probably is the CIA

1321
00:55:47,020 --> 00:55:44,089
is someone who you know as you can

1322
00:55:49,059 --> 00:55:47,030
imagine they just get tentacles all

1323
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:49,069
throughout Washington and you know what

1324
00:55:52,210 --> 00:55:50,210
a lot of those people are doing is

1325
00:55:53,890 --> 00:55:52,220
making sure that they get all the money

1326
00:55:55,720 --> 00:55:53,900
that they need and that they want I

1327
00:55:58,480 --> 00:55:55,730
doubt if they're gonna be coming back

1328
00:56:00,250 --> 00:55:58,490
these days on anything having to do with

1329
00:56:02,829 --> 00:56:00,260
classified programs especially when its

1330
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:02,839
anti-terrorism things of that nature but

1331
00:56:06,510 --> 00:56:04,160
I know that what they are doing is that

1332
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:06,520
they're they're drawing in

1333
00:56:10,570 --> 00:56:09,050
outsourcing this stuff to a lot of

1334
00:56:12,940 --> 00:56:10,580
people I mean that that was something

1335
00:56:14,770 --> 00:56:12,950
that happened after 9/11 where there was

1336
00:56:16,540 --> 00:56:14,780
just such an influx of money for black

1337
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:16,550
projects especially anti-terrorism

1338
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:18,530
projects that they started you know

1339
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:20,690
farming them out to contractors and I

1340
00:56:23,740 --> 00:56:22,130
know that that is definitely in the

1341
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:23,750
contraction process but I don't think

1342
00:56:29,380 --> 00:56:26,210
the budgets themselves are going to

1343
00:56:31,150 --> 00:56:29,390
shrink okay Mack and all the work you've

1344
00:56:34,180 --> 00:56:31,160
done in checking out these alleged

1345
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:34,190
secret military bases did you ever find

1346
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:37,090
any stories about such bases at well

1347
00:56:44,050 --> 00:56:40,850
didn't quite pass muster did not appear

1348
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:44,060
to be real you mentioned in an earlier

1349
00:56:49,690 --> 00:56:46,880
segment how for example the stories

1350
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:49,700
about bob lazar indicate that and I

1351
00:56:54,790 --> 00:56:51,410
should point out to our listeners first

1352
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:54,800
that Mack has a fairly extensive section

1353
00:57:00,880 --> 00:56:57,440
on this subject in the book beyond area

1354
00:57:03,490 --> 00:57:00,890
51 he basically said earlier that what

1355
00:57:05,490 --> 00:57:03,500
bob lazar claimed wasn't true that

1356
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:05,500
perhaps he was a disinformation agent

1357
00:57:10,450 --> 00:57:08,240
right well the the story about Kirtland

1358
00:57:14,860 --> 00:57:10,460
Air Force Base and also a Dulce mountain

1359
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:14,870
which have entangled you know is I can

1360
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:16,370
tell you that there's nothing happening

1361
00:57:20,650 --> 00:57:19,250
at the high mountain adult gen moment a

1362
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:20,660
lot of people in the UFO community

1363
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:23,930
believe that there are 50,000 aliens

1364
00:57:29,290 --> 00:57:26,570
living inside this Mesa in New Mexico

1365
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:29,300
that they have some kind of mind control

1366
00:57:34,030 --> 00:57:31,130
over us that they're breeding us to

1367
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:34,040
become slaves on their slave farms on

1368
00:57:38,650 --> 00:57:36,530
the moon and mods as crazy as that

1369
00:57:40,540 --> 00:57:38,660
sounds there were a number of people who

1370
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:40,550
believe that books are written about of

1371
00:57:44,350 --> 00:57:42,290
lectures are given about DVDs are

1372
00:57:47,740 --> 00:57:44,360
produced about it authors are

1373
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:47,750
interviewed about it the basis of that

1374
00:57:51,250 --> 00:57:50,240
story it came from the F West themselves

1375
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:51,260
there was a gentleman named Paul

1376
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:53,570
bennewitz who lived right outside and

1377
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:55,040
had a business right outside Krypton air

1378
00:57:59,050 --> 00:57:57,770
force base in New Mexico who he it's

1379
00:58:01,810 --> 00:57:59,060
kind of a long story but he stumbled

1380
00:58:03,250 --> 00:58:01,820
upon two parallel classified programs

1381
00:58:04,780 --> 00:58:03,260
that was going on at Kirtland Air Force

1382
00:58:07,810 --> 00:58:04,790
Base one of them had to do with how to

1383
00:58:09,610 --> 00:58:07,820
keep nuclear weapons out of sight out of

1384
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:09,620
mind of Russian satellites and others

1385
00:58:15,940 --> 00:58:12,530
people believed he saw the first kind of

1386
00:58:18,010 --> 00:58:15,950
test vehicles of the eventually turned

1387
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:18,020
into the stealth fighter he reported

1388
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:19,490
this to the F was thinking that they had

1389
00:58:22,370 --> 00:58:20,160
some kind of you

1390
00:58:23,870 --> 00:58:22,380
folk connection and instead of the F was

1391
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:23,880
just sitting him down and having him

1392
00:58:28,370 --> 00:58:25,680
sign a security document which many

1393
00:58:30,410 --> 00:58:28,380
people do every year and telling him

1394
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:30,420
you've come upon something classified

1395
00:58:33,230 --> 00:58:31,890
please don't talk about it for the

1396
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:33,240
security of the country instead they

1397
00:58:38,779 --> 00:58:36,530
started feeding him disinformation to

1398
00:58:41,210 --> 00:58:38,789
get him off track and some of the

1399
00:58:42,829 --> 00:58:41,220
disinformation that they fed him this is

1400
00:58:44,599 --> 00:58:42,839
the F what security people at Kirtland

1401
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:44,609
Air Force Base you know said you know

1402
00:58:48,650 --> 00:58:46,890
turned into these fantastic stories of

1403
00:58:51,289 --> 00:58:48,660
aliens living in Belgium mountain and

1404
00:58:53,359 --> 00:58:51,299
that you know aliens were doing cattle

1405
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:53,369
mutilations and so on and so forth and

1406
00:58:56,900 --> 00:58:54,690
to the point where they actually drove

1407
00:58:59,210 --> 00:58:56,910
him insane he was institutionalized at

1408
00:59:01,880 --> 00:58:59,220
least twice and I think it's safe to say

1409
00:59:04,190 --> 00:59:01,890
that he died a broken man there was

1410
00:59:05,930 --> 00:59:04,200
nothing going on UFO wise at Kirtland

1411
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:05,940
Air Force Base there's nothing going on

1412
00:59:09,859 --> 00:59:07,680
you have four wives at Delson Mountain

1413
00:59:13,069 --> 00:59:09,869
this was just another disinformation

1414
00:59:15,559 --> 00:59:13,079
campaign that they chose to use instead

1415
00:59:17,299 --> 00:59:15,569
of as I say taken the that sensible

1416
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:17,309
civilized route and just bringing this

1417
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:18,930
guy into the confidence a little bit in

1418
00:59:25,069 --> 00:59:23,280
heaven national security document Chris

1419
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:25,079
you've probed into some of this stuff

1420
00:59:31,849 --> 00:59:28,880
what's your reaction to that well you

1421
00:59:34,220 --> 00:59:31,859
know I agree I think I agree generally

1422
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:34,230
with what Mack saying but you know

1423
00:59:39,620 --> 00:59:37,680
having been pretty close to a number of

1424
00:59:41,359 --> 00:59:39,630
investigators that have looked into the

1425
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:41,369
Benowitz case from all the way back in

1426
00:59:47,930 --> 00:59:44,400
the early 80s actually there were a

1427
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:47,940
number of photographs that he took his

1428
00:59:52,670 --> 00:59:50,880
trip up to Dulce with I think it was

1429
00:59:54,559 --> 00:59:52,680
captain Edwards if I remember correctly

1430
00:59:58,900 --> 00:59:54,569
from the Air Force aboard a helicopter

1431
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:58,910
with special films supplied by the CIA

1432
01:00:03,710 --> 01:00:01,200
kind of a little interesting aside there

1433
01:00:06,769 --> 01:00:03,720
they did happen upon some pretty

1434
01:00:08,779 --> 01:00:06,779
interesting aerial activity and in Chris

1435
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:08,789
land rights book X descending he

1436
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:11,130
reproduces some very very high-rez

1437
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:14,160
versions in color of some of the objects

1438
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:15,690
that have been with's

1439
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:17,970
photographed over the coyote Canyon

1440
01:00:23,660 --> 01:00:20,400
Manzano weapons storage facility which

1441
01:00:26,569 --> 01:00:23,670
you you alluded to before that do have

1442
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:26,579
some pretty interesting plasma you know

1443
01:00:30,050 --> 01:00:28,770
ionized plasma plasma effects on the

1444
01:00:33,590 --> 01:00:30,060
outside of the craft

1445
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:33,600
there's indications that that there is

1446
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:36,570
some exotic technology going on on in at

1447
01:00:42,260 --> 01:00:38,490
least some of the sightings that he he

1448
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:42,270
was able to capture on on film and this

1449
01:00:47,540 --> 01:00:44,970
is not video film and some of the large

1450
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:47,550
format photographs from the trip up to

1451
01:00:52,460 --> 01:00:50,160
Dulce are pretty interesting of an

1452
01:00:55,790 --> 01:00:52,470
object that closed that closed in on the

1453
01:00:57,470 --> 01:00:55,800
helicopter at pretty close range so

1454
01:01:01,910 --> 01:00:57,480
there are some interesting elements

1455
01:01:03,530 --> 01:01:01,920
about the the bennewitz case that you

1456
01:01:06,110 --> 01:01:03,540
can't just kind of throw it out with the

1457
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:06,120
bathwater so to speak but in terms of

1458
01:01:11,870 --> 01:01:09,510
what is going on underneath Archuleta

1459
01:01:13,940 --> 01:01:11,880
Mesa that straddles the border just

1460
01:01:17,690 --> 01:01:13,950
north of Dulce it straddles the border

1461
01:01:20,900 --> 01:01:17,700
with Colorado and New Mexico and project

1462
01:01:24,980 --> 01:01:20,910
gas buggy which was the explosion on

1463
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:24,990
December 10th 1967 of a 29 kiloton

1464
01:01:32,570 --> 01:01:28,890
nuclear device that was exploded - in an

1465
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:32,580
attempt to free up gas deposits located

1466
01:01:38,090 --> 01:01:35,850
about 20 miles outside of Dulce there

1467
01:01:40,190 --> 01:01:38,100
there are some interesting indications

1468
01:01:42,110 --> 01:01:40,200
that there are that there is some sort

1469
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:42,120
of underground presence there my my

1470
01:01:49,250 --> 01:01:46,530
personal hunch hypothesis is that the

1471
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:49,260
Hickory Apache were paid off to bury

1472
01:01:55,070 --> 01:01:52,770
some very noxious illegal nuclear waste

1473
01:01:59,090 --> 01:01:55,080
on their reservation which may account

1474
01:02:01,070 --> 01:01:59,100
for the you know very dramatic increases

1475
01:02:03,350 --> 01:02:01,080
of environmental cancer cases in the

1476
01:02:05,930 --> 01:02:03,360
population around there so you know if

1477
01:02:09,530 --> 01:02:05,940
you read project beta Greg bishops book

1478
01:02:12,380 --> 01:02:09,540
if you if you speak with Ron Regehr who

1479
01:02:15,550 --> 01:02:12,390
is fairly close to bennewitz right when

1480
01:02:19,220 --> 01:02:15,560
all this stuff was going on in 80 81 82

1481
01:02:22,460 --> 01:02:19,230
there is tantalizing hints that he had

1482
01:02:25,010 --> 01:02:22,470
stumbled on on to something that may not

1483
01:02:27,590 --> 01:02:25,020
have involved the US government so so we

1484
01:02:29,450 --> 01:02:27,600
can't just totally debunk and whitewash

1485
01:02:32,630 --> 01:02:29,460
the whole case at least in my opinion

1486
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:32,640
and you know when you look at Anthony

1487
01:02:39,410 --> 01:02:36,240
Sanchez and you know his book on dulce

1488
01:02:42,170 --> 01:02:39,420
with the the geologist hired by the

1489
01:02:42,940 --> 01:02:42,180
government to find suitable sites for a

1490
01:02:45,609 --> 01:02:42,950
new ground for

1491
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:45,619
in the 40s and they stumble on you know

1492
01:02:50,770 --> 01:02:48,170
the alien base under Dulce that that

1493
01:02:53,260 --> 01:02:50,780
sort of thing is it sounds like a good

1494
01:02:56,319 --> 01:02:53,270
screenplay but I don't think it has any

1495
01:03:00,099 --> 01:02:56,329
any sort of will there's no evidence to

1496
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:00,109
back it up and really you know we had we

1497
01:03:06,190 --> 01:03:03,410
had Anthony on the show and it was a

1498
01:03:08,020 --> 01:03:06,200
little it was kind of sad but right it

1499
01:03:11,079 --> 01:03:08,030
was embarrassing there's a section on

1500
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:11,089
the show where he quotes as a reliable

1501
01:03:16,990 --> 01:03:14,000
source this house name that Tim Beckley

1502
01:03:19,540 --> 01:03:17,000
created for his books called commander

1503
01:03:21,130 --> 01:03:19,550
axe which is just like a lot of

1504
01:03:23,620 --> 01:03:21,140
publishers will have this name where

1505
01:03:25,690 --> 01:03:23,630
they recruit different writers and they

1506
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:25,700
give them a single identity you know

1507
01:03:29,740 --> 01:03:27,920
this is a colonel X yes well this is

1508
01:03:31,930 --> 01:03:29,750
Colonel X which is just about as bad but

1509
01:03:34,210 --> 01:03:31,940
he believed in commander X - that's what

1510
01:03:35,770 --> 01:03:34,220
made things more confusing the book

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we're talking about though is called

1512
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beyond area 51 our guest is Mack Maloney

1513
01:03:48,450 --> 01:03:42,859
with gene and Chris you're in the pair

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attack of the rock ODEs has been

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well-received by critics and readers

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alike it's a thrill a minute story

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you'll never forget a former US military

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intelligence officer is haunted by

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intense dreams about a beautiful woman

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pleading for his help after a terrible

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turn out to be true and thrust him into

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para caste community forums at forum dot

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the para caste calm with Jean and Chris

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01:08:18,850 --> 01:08:15,320
we have Mack Maloney who has studied

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01:08:21,220 --> 01:08:18,860
area 51 and Beyond area 51 is has a new

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01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:21,230
book out called Beyond area 51 and he

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01:08:26,350 --> 01:08:24,410
tells me that's only one of to area 51

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01:08:28,180 --> 01:08:26,360
books it's kind of like what our friend

1619
01:08:30,820 --> 01:08:28,190
Nick Redfern does when he writes a book

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01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:30,830
he's got several monster books out right

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01:08:34,780 --> 01:08:31,250
now

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01:08:36,220 --> 01:08:34,790
so tell us more Mack well you bring up

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01:08:38,980 --> 01:08:36,230
the name of Nick Redfern and he actually

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01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:38,990
wrote the foreword to beyond area 51

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01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:41,570
very helpful in helping me get some of

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01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:43,850
the research but I started writing 20

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01:08:47,350 --> 01:08:45,440
years ago and the first thing I did is I

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01:08:49,390 --> 01:08:47,360
had this action-adventure series out

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01:08:51,490 --> 01:08:49,400
called wingmen and we sold about a

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01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:51,500
million books over 10 years which in the

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01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:53,690
80s and 90s it's kind of like a Top Gun

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01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:56,810
Mad Max and a jet fighter type series so

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01:09:01,570 --> 01:09:00,080
that went away in 1999 and I you know

1634
01:09:04,060 --> 01:09:01,580
went on to other things and since then

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01:09:06,700 --> 01:09:04,070
I've got letters and then emails in the

1636
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:06,710
hundreds asking me when the series was

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01:09:10,660 --> 01:09:09,410
going to start again so when we got a

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01:09:12,610 --> 01:09:10,670
new publisher involved and they

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01:09:14,110 --> 01:09:12,620
re-released in the 16 original books and

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01:09:15,730 --> 01:09:14,120
they suggested I write another book to

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01:09:17,620 --> 01:09:15,740
get the series going again they said you

1642
01:09:19,480 --> 01:09:17,630
can write about anything you want and I

1643
01:09:21,670 --> 01:09:19,490
had all this area 51 research laying

1644
01:09:23,710 --> 01:09:21,680
around my office so I said well why

1645
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:23,720
don't I just write something else about

1646
01:09:27,970 --> 01:09:25,850
area 51 so it's a fictional account it's

1647
01:09:31,060 --> 01:09:27,980
called attack on area 51 it's a lot of

1648
01:09:32,530 --> 01:09:31,070
jet fighters and dogfights and beautiful

1649
01:09:34,510 --> 01:09:32,540
women and you know things of this nature

1650
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:34,520
that were always in the wing man series

1651
01:09:38,710 --> 01:09:37,130
it's a $2.00 download from the Amazon a

1652
01:09:40,440 --> 01:09:38,720
lot of people are getting into a lot of

1653
01:09:42,970 --> 01:09:40,450
people like it was just another way to

1654
01:09:45,700 --> 01:09:42,980
stop the wing man series off again and

1655
01:09:47,410 --> 01:09:45,710
it allowed me to research two books at

1656
01:09:50,020 --> 01:09:47,420
the same time and you'd love to have

1657
01:09:53,890 --> 01:09:50,030
just Sweden or Zack Snyder direct the

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01:09:55,330 --> 01:09:53,900
movie oh yeah of course absolutely okay

1659
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:55,340
but the guy who directed The Lone Ranger

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01:09:59,140 --> 01:09:57,650
you don't want him I don't think anyone

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01:10:01,630 --> 01:09:59,150
wants him now for the next few years

1662
01:10:04,330 --> 01:10:01,640
well he also did prior to the Caribbean

1663
01:10:06,730 --> 01:10:04,340
so it's not as if he was he's not on the

1664
01:10:09,340 --> 01:10:06,740
street that's a sure no he's really not

1665
01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:09,350
working out as well as we'd hoped but

1666
01:10:14,710 --> 01:10:11,600
I'm this that's by the way that's Gore

1667
01:10:16,660 --> 01:10:14,720
Verbinski by the way did you see did you

1668
01:10:17,980 --> 01:10:16,670
see the film how it wasn't as bad as

1669
01:10:20,140 --> 01:10:17,990
people are making it out to be

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01:10:24,340 --> 01:10:20,150
the Lone Ranger I had planed to see it

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01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:24,350
then I saw the previews and I read the

1672
01:10:29,170 --> 01:10:25,850
reviews and understand what the Lone

1673
01:10:31,180 --> 01:10:29,180
Ranger I grew up at the end of the era

1674
01:10:35,170 --> 01:10:31,190
of the original Lone Ranger with Clayton

1675
01:10:37,810 --> 01:10:35,180
Moore and you know I thought that had it

1676
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:37,820
be some kind of middle ground being a

1677
01:10:43,630 --> 01:10:41,570
very saccharine kind of simple kind of

1678
01:10:48,090 --> 01:10:43,640
show straight ahead for mostly for kids

1679
01:10:50,170 --> 01:10:48,100
and having a wacky wild offbeat

1680
01:10:52,870 --> 01:10:50,180
rendition in the movie why they had to

1681
01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:52,880
go so far over the top is what really

1682
01:10:55,900 --> 01:10:54,320
made it upsetting there had to be a

1683
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:55,910
middle ground where you can bring back

1684
01:11:00,670 --> 01:10:57,610
the character of The Lone Ranger and

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01:11:03,820 --> 01:11:00,680
have him do his thing without driving

1686
01:11:05,500 --> 01:11:03,830
people crazy in a pg-13 film where

1687
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:05,510
there's a lot of very questionable

1688
01:11:08,980 --> 01:11:07,010
violence but that's the end of The Lone

1689
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:08,990
Ranger for me he's not gonna do your

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01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:12,080
thing but I bet that if he came to you

1691
01:11:18,790 --> 01:11:15,610
and said Mack I wanna do this movie

1692
01:11:20,650 --> 01:11:18,800
absolutely oh yeah you kiddin anyone in

1693
01:11:22,060 --> 01:11:20,660
Hollywood who would want to do a movie

1694
01:11:24,580 --> 01:11:22,070
on one of my books a couple of those

1695
01:11:26,440 --> 01:11:24,590
wingman books are actually um optioned

1696
01:11:28,030 --> 01:11:26,450
for Hollywood but you see here's the

1697
01:11:29,290 --> 01:11:28,040
problem and this might be a little off

1698
01:11:30,430 --> 01:11:29,300
track but they had a lot of trouble

1699
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:30,440
making the long ranger they've been

1700
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:31,850
making it for about five years and

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01:11:36,010 --> 01:11:33,410
that's that's always a bad sign and

1702
01:11:37,810 --> 01:11:36,020
number two they never do these kind of

1703
01:11:40,180 --> 01:11:37,820
movies right they die in my opinion they

1704
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:40,190
have yet to do a Batman right they have

1705
01:11:43,930 --> 01:11:42,050
yet to do a Superman right I'm talking

1706
01:11:46,570 --> 01:11:43,940
about in the modern era you know some of

1707
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:46,580
the Marvel comic book films are okay but

1708
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:49,370
the the the reboot of spider-man was

1709
01:11:53,890 --> 01:11:51,290
awful because they feel they have to

1710
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:53,900
elaborate on what's already a good story

1711
01:11:58,840 --> 01:11:55,370
where they should just do the good story

1712
01:12:02,050 --> 01:11:58,850
well in the case of the Chris Nolan

1713
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:02,060
Batman series they relied heavily on the

1714
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:05,120
Dark Knight reimagining of Batman mm-hmm

1715
01:12:09,700 --> 01:12:07,010
and if you look even of Man of Steel

1716
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:09,710
where I don't want to be this I'm gonna

1717
01:12:15,010 --> 01:12:11,930
be the spoiler at the end of the film he

1718
01:12:16,510 --> 01:12:15,020
kills General Zod by breaking his neck

1719
01:12:19,390 --> 01:12:16,520
and there's a lot of criticism saying

1720
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:19,400
Superman never kills anyone but if you

1721
01:12:22,890 --> 01:12:21,530
go back to the comic book yes he has

1722
01:12:24,930 --> 01:12:22,900
killed Zod

1723
01:12:26,850 --> 01:12:24,940
there you go it's your point of view I

1724
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:26,860
think with Man of Steel I liked it but

1725
01:12:31,950 --> 01:12:30,690
the final 45 minutes or hour was

1726
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:31,960
over-the-top

1727
01:12:36,180 --> 01:12:33,850
well that's what usually happens I just

1728
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:36,190
happened to there was a some channel was

1729
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:38,560
running all of the batman movies the

1730
01:12:42,690 --> 01:12:40,090
ones that judge clooney and Michael

1731
01:12:44,820 --> 01:12:42,700
Keaton were in there years ago they ran

1732
01:12:46,650 --> 01:12:44,830
them all in a row and I was working I

1733
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:46,660
usually have the TV on and they just get

1734
01:12:51,630 --> 01:12:48,970
they just get worse and worse and worse

1735
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:51,640
as you go along I think if you look at

1736
01:12:57,480 --> 01:12:54,640
the reimagining from Christopher Nolan

1737
01:13:00,150 --> 01:12:57,490
and the first Batman film with Michael

1738
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:00,160
Keaton and Jack Nicholson you'll see the

1739
01:13:05,730 --> 01:13:03,010
approach it's fairly similar in terms of

1740
01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:05,740
this Dark Knight vigilante character

1741
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:07,450
let's get back to traveling through area

1742
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:09,730
51 and beyond let's get back to our

1743
01:13:16,410 --> 01:13:12,970
paranormal universe so the point to

1744
01:13:20,970 --> 01:13:16,420
mention here is that you do accept the

1745
01:13:23,580 --> 01:13:20,980
possibility that UFOs are real yes I do

1746
01:13:25,140 --> 01:13:23,590
they have to be there they exist they

1747
01:13:27,480 --> 01:13:25,150
exist we just don't know what they are

1748
01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:27,490
yet but obviously you think that some of

1749
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:29,440
the Givens in the UFO fields such as

1750
01:13:33,690 --> 01:13:31,120
Roswell and certainly I would assume

1751
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:33,700
Aztec would be in the same category for

1752
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:36,010
you that you don't accept any of those

1753
01:13:40,350 --> 01:13:38,890
things what about any UFO crash anywhere

1754
01:13:41,820 --> 01:13:40,360
do you accept any of those so-called

1755
01:13:44,220 --> 01:13:41,830
crashed stories

1756
01:13:46,020 --> 01:13:44,230
well the Aztec one of them all I think

1757
01:13:48,030 --> 01:13:46,030
the Aztec one from what I've heard and

1758
01:13:49,860 --> 01:13:48,040
and I've talked to a few people who have

1759
01:13:52,230 --> 01:13:49,870
researched that you know but that seems

1760
01:13:54,810 --> 01:13:52,240
to have a lot of evidence has a lot of

1761
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:54,820
kind of credible witnesses there are

1762
01:13:58,920 --> 01:13:56,800
actually structures in the desert that

1763
01:14:01,350 --> 01:13:58,930
supposedly the military had to build to

1764
01:14:03,150 --> 01:14:01,360
get the crashed UFO out of there there's

1765
01:14:05,100 --> 01:14:03,160
just a lot of kind of interesting

1766
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:05,110
sidelights of that story and I give that

1767
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:08,080
more credibility than in Roswell and the

1768
01:14:12,210 --> 01:14:09,610
the thing about Roswell that really

1769
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:12,220
bothers me is what it's become you know

1770
01:14:16,140 --> 01:14:14,890
it's now I forget what the count is but

1771
01:14:18,930 --> 01:14:16,150
there are some books out there say that

1772
01:14:20,700 --> 01:14:18,940
you know 12 14 15 UFOs crashed there and

1773
01:14:22,980 --> 01:14:20,710
there's 30 dead bodies and I want to

1774
01:14:25,410 --> 01:14:22,990
know why are they crashing in Roswell

1775
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:25,420
and when the UFOs avoid Roswell if so

1776
01:14:29,420 --> 01:14:27,520
many of them were crashing there there

1777
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:29,430
was a story

1778
01:14:35,220 --> 01:14:32,890
this is drawing in UFOs dan what time my

1779
01:14:38,070 --> 01:14:35,230
first book where it talks about UFO

1780
01:14:39,570 --> 01:14:38,080
presence over ICBM bases and how you

1781
01:14:41,370 --> 01:14:39,580
know those things were that was a real

1782
01:14:42,900 --> 01:14:41,380
those things were real and lots of

1783
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:42,910
people saw them in the military once

1784
01:14:45,930 --> 01:14:44,050
again knows more about those than

1785
01:14:48,690 --> 01:14:45,940
they're letting on but so many of those

1786
01:14:51,390 --> 01:14:48,700
happen and there was one particular ICBM

1787
01:14:52,590 --> 01:14:51,400
silo where UFOs were showing up over it

1788
01:14:54,420 --> 01:14:52,600
even as they were doing the construction

1789
01:14:56,310 --> 01:14:54,430
process and when they put the missile

1790
01:14:58,920 --> 01:14:56,320
when there was so many so much UFO

1791
01:15:01,110 --> 01:14:58,930
activity around it that the gods refused

1792
01:15:02,970 --> 01:15:01,120
to go out in in God the place at night

1793
01:15:05,460 --> 01:15:02,980
and that was right down the street if

1794
01:15:08,070 --> 01:15:05,470
that was in Roswell New Mexico to me

1795
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:08,080
that's there's more evidence of UFO

1796
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:10,570
activity over that ICBM base there than

1797
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:12,250
anything that ever happened at Roswell

1798
01:15:17,100 --> 01:15:14,170
you know let's just talk quickly about

1799
01:15:19,050 --> 01:15:17,110
Aztec hotly disputed in the UFO field

1800
01:15:21,510 --> 01:15:19,060
next week we're going to feature

1801
01:15:25,890 --> 01:15:21,520
assuming there are no cancellations a

1802
01:15:28,110 --> 01:15:25,900
great debate on Aztec was the Aztec UFO

1803
01:15:30,570 --> 01:15:28,120
case real or not fireworks are gonna

1804
01:15:33,090 --> 01:15:30,580
come out late this year boy we're gonna

1805
01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:33,100
feature Scott Ramsey who joined with his

1806
01:15:39,090 --> 01:15:35,920
wife Suzanne and Frank Warren and other

1807
01:15:41,340 --> 01:15:39,100
people in writing a book about Aztec and

1808
01:15:43,620 --> 01:15:41,350
presenting the case for its authenticity

1809
01:15:46,890 --> 01:15:43,630
and we present somebody who has been

1810
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:46,900
very outspoken in his belief that

1811
01:15:51,780 --> 01:15:49,330
nothing strange happened at Aztec that's

1812
01:15:55,380 --> 01:15:51,790
Kevin Randle the great debate

1813
01:15:58,320 --> 01:15:55,390
Kevin Randle Scott Ramsey next week on

1814
01:16:00,300 --> 01:15:58,330
the power cast we have a place for your

1815
01:16:02,970 --> 01:16:00,310
questions in the question Bank at forum

1816
01:16:04,590 --> 01:16:02,980
dot the power cast calm and I suspect

1817
01:16:05,730 --> 01:16:04,600
Mac Maloney will have questions that he

1818
01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:05,740
will post there as well

1819
01:16:10,050 --> 01:16:07,360
and we'll have to see how these two

1820
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:10,060
people react to it basically

1821
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:12,850
Kevin Randle doesn't just think it

1822
01:16:15,900 --> 01:16:14,320
didn't happen he thinks we shouldn't

1823
01:16:17,550 --> 01:16:15,910
even bother talking about it at this

1824
01:16:19,470 --> 01:16:17,560
point but he's gracious enough to come

1825
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:19,480
on the show and debate his point of view

1826
01:16:22,830 --> 01:16:21,010
this is a first unless someone else

1827
01:16:25,290 --> 01:16:22,840
tries to scoop us now that they've heard

1828
01:16:26,580 --> 01:16:25,300
it the straw breaks the camel's back or

1829
01:16:28,950 --> 01:16:26,590
something we're not going to break

1830
01:16:31,410 --> 01:16:28,960
anything now except the station because

1831
01:16:38,810 --> 01:16:31,420
you're hearing Mac baloney with Gene and

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hi this is Ted Phillips listening to the

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parrot cat and it's as good as it gets

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believe me yes this was a station break

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I'm gene Steinberg he's Chris O'Brien

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Mac Moloney joins us the book is called

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beyond area 51 and an interesting point

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of view from Mac Maloney that he thinks

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01:21:24,370 --> 01:21:22,219
if any of those early UFO crashes had a

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measure of authenticity

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it wasn't Roswell it was a stick all

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right there you go

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what about more recent events what about

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Kingman Arizona well you know I only

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01:21:39,459 --> 01:21:37,670
know about that in passing I know that

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there have been a number of places that

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like Tex burg in places like that but

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even if you look into Kecksburg not to

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deflect but even if you look into

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Kecksburg I mean there's a lot of

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01:21:53,709 --> 01:21:49,330
evidence that that was you know a a

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01:21:55,810 --> 01:21:53,719
Russian satellite that crash there we

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01:21:57,580 --> 01:21:55,820
have a story we have a chapter in in the

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01:22:00,339 --> 01:21:57,590
book about a place um maybe you've never

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01:22:02,100 --> 01:22:00,349
heard of its called ons hat in New

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01:22:05,709 --> 01:22:02,110
Jersey have you ever heard of that place

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01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:05,719
okay I don't I lived in New Jersey okay

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01:22:09,790 --> 01:22:08,449
well I didn't visit that particular

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01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:09,800
place can you tell me where it's located

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01:22:14,109 --> 01:22:12,170
okay it's in the Pine Barrens which I'm

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01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:14,119
sure you know about the Pine Barrens is

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01:22:17,740 --> 01:22:16,489
this enormous kind of forested area in

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the middle of New Jersey there very few

1963
01:22:20,470 --> 01:22:19,040
people know about because when you're

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driving down 95 you drive right through

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01:22:25,089 --> 01:22:22,639
it and particularly in this there's no

1966
01:22:28,209 --> 01:22:25,099
one lives there really but we came upon

1967
01:22:29,890 --> 01:22:28,219
the story about these twins and there's

1968
01:22:31,689 --> 01:22:29,900
a point of the story these twins we're

1969
01:22:34,089 --> 01:22:31,699
going to Princeton and they came up with

1970
01:22:35,589 --> 01:22:34,099
this theory called the cognitive chaos

1971
01:22:39,189 --> 01:22:35,599
theory where they claim that you know

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people could jump universes just by

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altering the consciousness and they got

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thrown out of Princeton for you know

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01:22:49,089 --> 01:22:47,000
talking about these theories went too

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long hat which is this very very small

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01:22:53,169 --> 01:22:50,540
town in the middle of the Pine Barrens

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which in itself is deserted and haunted

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01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:55,520
and so on and so forth and they set up

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01:22:59,020 --> 01:22:57,290
camp there and they got some kind of

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01:23:00,520 --> 01:22:59,030
underground scientists to join them and

1982
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:00,530
after a few years they actually

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01:23:03,310 --> 01:23:02,570
perfected this method of jumping

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01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:03,320
universes

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01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:05,090
and they were doing it all the time

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01:23:10,330 --> 01:23:08,210
until Delta Force jumped in there one

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01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:10,340
night destroyed the place and either

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01:23:13,420 --> 01:23:11,810
killed them all are they all went to

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another universe and never came back

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01:23:20,380 --> 01:23:16,730
now that's a real story that is was

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01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:20,390
started up on the internet by a an

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01:23:25,780 --> 01:23:22,970
author named Mike Matheny what he did

1993
01:23:27,370 --> 01:23:25,790
was in the early days of the Internet of

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01:23:29,860 --> 01:23:27,380
the World Wide Web he wanted to start

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01:23:32,350 --> 01:23:29,870
the first Internet myth because myths

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01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:32,360
start usually around the campfire years

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01:23:38,050 --> 01:23:34,400
ago and then they just get elaborated on

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01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:38,060
on and on and on and on and on so he

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01:23:42,270 --> 01:23:40,610
wanted to start the first Internet myth

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01:23:45,480 --> 01:23:42,280
and he did this because he and his

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01:23:48,850 --> 01:23:45,490
colleagues would print would post these

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01:23:51,250 --> 01:23:48,860
anonymous texts about what happened at

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01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:51,260
Haun's hat and they waited in insert and

2004
01:23:54,820 --> 01:23:52,970
sure enough other people started adding

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01:23:58,480 --> 01:23:54,830
on to it adding on to it and created

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01:24:00,580 --> 01:23:58,490
this entire story from whole cloth now

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01:24:02,710 --> 01:24:00,590
the reason we put that in the in the

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01:24:04,090 --> 01:24:02,720
book and we ask you know we explain

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01:24:05,980 --> 01:24:04,100
exactly what it is and we have a

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01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:05,990
gentleman named Michael Kinsella who has

2011
01:24:10,780 --> 01:24:08,210
written extensively about any and his

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01:24:12,250 --> 01:24:10,790
theory is that when people said when

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01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:12,260
enough people believe something then it

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01:24:18,550 --> 01:24:15,170
can't becomes true people accept that as

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01:24:20,230 --> 01:24:18,560
facts it's like a very elaborate game a

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01:24:22,090 --> 01:24:20,240
kids game of telephone where you tell

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01:24:23,650 --> 01:24:22,100
one kid one thing and by the time it

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01:24:26,140 --> 01:24:23,660
comes around the room it's completely

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01:24:27,940 --> 01:24:26,150
different well we asked in the at the

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01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:27,950
end of the book maybe that's what you if

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01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:30,050
the whole UFO puzzle was about is that

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01:24:33,850 --> 01:24:31,760
is yet it just stops from one little

2023
01:24:35,620 --> 01:24:33,860
thing and people keep elaborating on it

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01:24:37,900 --> 01:24:35,630
until it becomes this huge monster that

2025
01:24:40,780 --> 01:24:37,910
no one can quite penetrate and a lot of

2026
01:24:43,990 --> 01:24:40,790
people don't want to dismiss all right

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01:24:47,370 --> 01:24:44,000
so as this saying then is your theory

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01:24:51,220 --> 01:24:47,380
that UFOs it's a self-fulfilling

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01:24:53,230 --> 01:24:51,230
prophecy no what I'm saying is that they

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01:24:54,610 --> 01:24:53,240
do exist but there are so many people

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01:24:56,530 --> 01:24:54,620
out there and this is going back to what

2032
01:24:58,300 --> 01:24:56,540
we were talking about with dowsing

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01:25:01,210 --> 01:24:58,310
Mountain there are so many people out

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01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:01,220
there who just put out things that that

2035
01:25:05,980 --> 01:25:03,050
they don't substantiate that they don't

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01:25:08,050 --> 01:25:05,990
do research into they just make them up

2037
01:25:10,210 --> 01:25:08,060
you named a few of them earlier in the

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01:25:11,700 --> 01:25:10,220
show yourself

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01:25:15,510 --> 01:25:11,710
don't say Mountain

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01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:15,520
is Archuleta Mesa right that's what I

2041
01:25:20,070 --> 01:25:17,770
mean is is that they're they they become

2042
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:20,080
so many people have heard it and add to

2043
01:25:25,500 --> 01:25:22,810
it and believe it that they in it - in a

2044
01:25:27,690 --> 01:25:25,510
sense they become real so the question

2045
01:25:29,940 --> 01:25:27,700
is well when you look at the overall UFO

2046
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:29,950
puzzle what is real and what is it and I

2047
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:32,530
just think that 90% of it is just static

2048
01:25:37,740 --> 01:25:36,010
it's just things that make no sense have

2049
01:25:40,380 --> 01:25:37,750
no basis in reality and I think that

2050
01:25:43,620 --> 01:25:40,390
really takes away from legitimate UFO

2051
01:25:45,540 --> 01:25:43,630
researchers such as yourselves to really

2052
01:25:47,130 --> 01:25:45,550
kind of get to the to the root of this

2053
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:47,140
problem now other people have said well

2054
01:25:50,820 --> 01:25:48,730
maybe that's exactly what the military

2055
01:25:52,590 --> 01:25:50,830
the government wants us to do they send

2056
01:25:54,180 --> 01:25:52,600
out all these false signals all the way

2057
01:25:56,450 --> 01:25:54,190
just to confuse us all and maybe that's

2058
01:25:58,860 --> 01:25:56,460
the case - but I really believe that

2059
01:26:01,380 --> 01:25:58,870
things like and I have to say I'm sorry

2060
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:01,390
Roswell being one of them - a mountain

2061
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:03,130
being another and there's there's lots

2062
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:06,250
of other examples that just cloud the

2063
01:26:09,750 --> 01:26:08,080
issue they just cloud the issue then

2064
01:26:11,130 --> 01:26:09,760
they're there they're like a rock

2065
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:11,140
rolling down the hill that just keeps

2066
01:26:16,500 --> 01:26:14,890
gathering more material all the time we

2067
01:26:19,020 --> 01:26:16,510
tried to cut through that and we try to

2068
01:26:21,690 --> 01:26:19,030
say well this seems to be have happened

2069
01:26:23,610 --> 01:26:21,700
this seems maybe not to have happened in

2070
01:26:25,950 --> 01:26:23,620
the end of the book and I'll do the

2071
01:26:28,530 --> 01:26:25,960
spoiler I questioned it but I believe at

2072
01:26:30,270 --> 01:26:28,540
the very end UFOs definitely do exist

2073
01:26:32,670 --> 01:26:30,280
and they're mysterious because simply

2074
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:32,680
because our pilots are military pilots

2075
01:26:37,740 --> 01:26:34,690
and airline pilots see them all the time

2076
01:26:39,330 --> 01:26:37,750
and they are the experts at knowing what

2077
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:39,340
is a natural phenomena and what's an

2078
01:26:43,050 --> 01:26:41,170
unnatural phone and I've talked to

2079
01:26:44,610 --> 01:26:43,060
enough of them to know that they're

2080
01:26:47,729 --> 01:26:44,620
seeing something that can't be explained

2081
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:47,739
therefore UFOs exist so do you think the

2082
01:26:51,540 --> 01:26:49,090
fact that they don't report these things

2083
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:51,550
very often is because they accept it or

2084
01:26:56,820 --> 01:26:53,610
they just realize the futility of

2085
01:26:59,040 --> 01:26:56,830
reporting it well they're worried for

2086
01:27:00,840 --> 01:26:59,050
their jobs in the military you you do

2087
01:27:02,700 --> 01:27:00,850
not report UFOs well let me say you

2088
01:27:04,740 --> 01:27:02,710
don't make an official report of UFOs so

2089
01:27:06,390 --> 01:27:04,750
you don't talk outside of the military

2090
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:06,400
about UFOs or it's gonna really have a

2091
01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:08,530
negative effect on your career and the

2092
01:27:10,740 --> 01:27:09,280
airlines

2093
01:27:12,930 --> 01:27:10,750
you just never mentioned it to anyone

2094
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:12,940
because any airline pilot who sees UFO

2095
01:27:17,130 --> 01:27:15,010
is supposed to fill out an FCC report if

2096
01:27:19,650 --> 01:27:17,140
they do that the next time you come up

2097
01:27:21,390 --> 01:27:19,660
you know for a promotion or whatever or

2098
01:27:23,250 --> 01:27:21,400
you want to actually get a better route

2099
01:27:25,470 --> 01:27:23,260
to fly you're not gonna get it because

2100
01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:25,480
you're going to be labeled a flake

2101
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:27,040
it's going to just have a very negative

2102
01:27:31,440 --> 01:27:29,290
effect in your career so they never

2103
01:27:33,810 --> 01:27:31,450
mentioned them I know several airline

2104
01:27:35,460 --> 01:27:33,820
pilots who I've talked to have interview

2105
01:27:37,710 --> 01:27:35,470
and they've told me stories that you

2106
01:27:39,180 --> 01:27:37,720
know I'm just fantastic to tell you the

2107
01:27:40,710 --> 01:27:39,190
truth and I know that they're telling me

2108
01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:40,720
the truth but they can't make these

2109
01:27:44,340 --> 01:27:42,880
things public only because it will

2110
01:27:45,330 --> 01:27:44,350
affect their career and their in their

2111
01:27:47,790 --> 01:27:45,340
paycheck Frank

2112
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:47,800
reminds me of the scene in Close

2113
01:27:52,740 --> 01:27:50,050
Encounters of the Third Kind where an

2114
01:27:56,100 --> 01:27:52,750
airline pilot reports a strange aircraft

2115
01:27:59,729 --> 01:27:56,110
and then the control tower says do you

2116
01:28:03,120 --> 01:27:59,739
want to report this as a UFO and he says

2117
01:28:04,979 --> 01:28:03,130
no mm-hmm right yeah when he asked the

2118
01:28:07,229 --> 01:28:04,989
other pilot who was nearby they said you

2119
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:07,239
want to report a UFO it says I I don't

2120
01:28:12,270 --> 01:28:09,130
want to report one of those either right

2121
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:12,280
exactly that's what it is and and a good

2122
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:15,130
friend of mine is a is a pilot form an

2123
01:28:20,340 --> 01:28:18,010
airline that is leased to the US

2124
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:20,350
government and you know he's told me

2125
01:28:26,490 --> 01:28:24,010
some stories that I just that knowing

2126
01:28:28,950 --> 01:28:26,500
who he is in knowing the credibility as

2127
01:28:30,630 --> 01:28:28,960
in the kind of job he has I know that

2128
01:28:33,750 --> 01:28:30,640
they're true and they are fantastic

2129
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:33,760
stories but we'll never they'll never

2130
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:35,170
see the light of day because of the

2131
01:28:38,820 --> 01:28:36,730
position that he's in and it's the same

2132
01:28:42,420 --> 01:28:38,830
with people who actually fly from the

2133
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:42,430
military so the upshot is that a lot of

2134
01:28:46,530 --> 01:28:44,530
things are happening but there's no

2135
01:28:47,100 --> 01:28:46,540
incentive for anyone to report it to

2136
01:28:49,590 --> 01:28:47,110
anyone

2137
01:28:52,820 --> 01:28:49,600
well no no incentive to report it

2138
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outside the military are outside the

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airline industry yes for sure

2140
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I mean you're never going to hear those

2141
01:29:00,120 --> 01:28:58,270
people talk about these things

2142
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someone told me someone who is very very

2143
01:29:04,710 --> 01:29:01,690
close and I try to get this thing quick

2144
01:29:06,630 --> 01:29:04,720
to work but Nasir Minh is also a UFO

2145
01:29:08,610 --> 01:29:06,640
researcher told me that that someone and

2146
01:29:11,790 --> 01:29:08,620
very high authority told them that since

2147
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9/11 the number of you know scrambled

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flights for UFOs is you know kind of you

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know a hundredfold where because we are

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out looking closer at any kind of in any

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kind of an aerial vehicle that's heading

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towards this country because we have

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01:29:30,060 --> 01:29:27,340
this idea of terrorism mine so more jets

2154
01:29:31,710 --> 01:29:30,070
go up more jets check out these things

2155
01:29:33,930 --> 01:29:31,720
sometimes they turn out to be you know

2156
01:29:35,970 --> 01:29:33,940
something mundane but as a result I

2157
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:35,980
fighter pilots are seeing more and more

2158
01:29:39,450 --> 01:29:37,690
UFOs because they're being scrambled

2159
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:39,460
more and more that

2160
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interesting I never thought about that

2161
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but it makes sense when you're paranoid

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you tend to create more scenarios to be

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paranoid about well it's it's also you

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know I mean I think everything changed

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on 9/11 this how is the security of this

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country is concerned and and a lot of

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that has to do with scrambling jets to

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go up and look for things that might be

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heading for you know New York or

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Washington you know that that shouldn't

2171
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be heading there in you know a vast

2172
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majority of them I'm going to turn out

2173
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to be something where if someone's radio

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was turned off whatever but because

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we're doing it more often fighter pilots

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are seeing more legitimate UFOs because

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they're up there more often oh if we

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could only get a handle on those reports

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we have Mack baloney the book is called

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beyond area 51 which means it's not the

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only place where strange things are

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going on with gene and Chris it's

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this is nuclear physicist elector

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Stanton Friedman

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you are listening to the peracare the

2289
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gold standard a paranormal radio we are

2290
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travelling beyond the area 51 let's look

2291
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at some of the other alleged bases where

2292
01:35:20,910 --> 01:35:18,670
things may be going on with Matt Maloney

2293
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author of beyond area 51 with Jean and

2294
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:23,199
Chris on the power cast tell us about

2295
01:35:27,959 --> 01:35:24,250
some more locales

2296
01:35:30,359 --> 01:35:27,969
yeah well via Union Russia the EM

2297
01:35:31,740 --> 01:35:30,369
triangle and some of the interesting

2298
01:35:34,050 --> 01:35:31,750
events that have been documented over

2299
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:34,060
there over the years right in in Russia

2300
01:35:40,379 --> 01:35:36,610
is course Russia has its own you know

2301
01:35:42,660 --> 01:35:40,389
very deep UFO history they are certainly

2302
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:42,670
when the Soviet Union was was still you

2303
01:35:47,939 --> 01:35:45,489
know existed at one point they asked

2304
01:35:49,890 --> 01:35:47,949
everyone in their military that if they

2305
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:49,900
saw a UFO that they should file a report

2306
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:51,610
and a lot of these people did and so the

2307
01:35:55,290 --> 01:35:53,290
the Russian government of the old

2308
01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:55,300
Russian government you know with

2309
01:36:00,169 --> 01:35:57,610
inundated with stacks of UFO reports

2310
01:36:02,430 --> 01:36:00,179
they had the largest UFO Reporting

2311
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:02,440
agency in the world the entire Soviet

2312
01:36:06,689 --> 01:36:04,449
military at one point was reporting UFOs

2313
01:36:09,300 --> 01:36:06,699
but there were two places in Russia that

2314
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:09,310
we cover and they really they really are

2315
01:36:13,709 --> 01:36:11,050
opposite from each other over the first

2316
01:36:15,090 --> 01:36:13,719
place is Kapusta gnyana that we talked

2317
01:36:17,580 --> 01:36:15,100
about and that's the place where

2318
01:36:20,060 --> 01:36:17,590
it's a combination area 51 and cape

2319
01:36:22,500 --> 01:36:20,070
canaveral it's a huge base that's been

2320
01:36:24,570 --> 01:36:22,510
operating since the end of World War two

2321
01:36:26,010 --> 01:36:24,580
a lot of the captured German scientists

2322
01:36:29,100 --> 01:36:26,020
that weren't lucky enough to come over

2323
01:36:30,450 --> 01:36:29,110
to surrender to the tip to the Allies

2324
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:30,460
and we're captured by the Russians and

2325
01:36:33,660 --> 01:36:32,050
they were put to work there and they put

2326
01:36:36,270 --> 01:36:33,670
the Russians in space just like German

2327
01:36:39,420 --> 01:36:36,280
scientists put us in space but there's a

2328
01:36:42,020 --> 01:36:39,430
a very famous fighter pilot female fed

2329
01:36:45,090 --> 01:36:42,030
fighter pound marina Popovich who is

2330
01:36:46,350 --> 01:36:45,100
someone who is the equivalent of you

2331
01:36:48,300 --> 01:36:46,360
know let's say I don't want to say Neil

2332
01:36:51,210 --> 01:36:48,310
Armstrong but someone who is very very

2333
01:36:53,580 --> 01:36:51,220
famous in our aeronautical circles here

2334
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:53,590
in the United States she claims that her

2335
01:36:58,680 --> 01:36:56,410
jet fighter squadron you know engaged in

2336
01:37:00,780 --> 01:36:58,690
dogfights with UFOs over Kapusta yacht

2337
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:00,790
on a regular basis during the 50s and

2338
01:37:05,790 --> 01:37:03,850
60s and she's someone who she's more

2339
01:37:07,230 --> 01:37:05,800
like Chuck Diego let's say so if Chuck

2340
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:07,240
Yeager came out and said you know I used

2341
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:10,090
to dogfight with UFOs over rum you know

2342
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:12,010
some Air Base Edwards Air Force Base in

2343
01:37:14,820 --> 01:37:13,450
California I mean there's a lot of

2344
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:14,830
people who tend to believe him

2345
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:16,810
well this is the same case in Russia and

2346
01:37:20,820 --> 01:37:19,090
she she's written a book about how you

2347
01:37:23,010 --> 01:37:20,830
know there were always chasing UFOs away

2348
01:37:24,930 --> 01:37:23,020
from Kapusta Yaron getting into

2349
01:37:26,460 --> 01:37:24,940
dogfights with them and finally they

2350
01:37:29,460 --> 01:37:26,470
they kind of came upon this kind of

2351
01:37:30,900 --> 01:37:29,470
unspoken truths that if the UFOs they

2352
01:37:31,980 --> 01:37:30,910
tended to hang around when they were

2353
01:37:34,950 --> 01:37:31,990
going to when the Russians were gonna

2354
01:37:36,870 --> 01:37:34,960
launch something so if they didn't if

2355
01:37:38,610 --> 01:37:36,880
they didn't launch if they didn't

2356
01:37:40,020 --> 01:37:38,620
scramble jets to interfere with UFOs

2357
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:40,030
then the UFOs would not interfere with

2358
01:37:46,170 --> 01:37:43,210
the launch so you know very very strange

2359
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:46,180
place had a three hour UFO sighting

2360
01:37:51,930 --> 01:37:48,970
there at one point where more than 50

2361
01:37:54,540 --> 01:37:51,940
people saw this UFO that kept hovering

2362
01:37:56,940 --> 01:37:54,550
over these nuclear storage devices the

2363
01:37:59,370 --> 01:37:56,950
KGB did an extensive report on it and

2364
01:38:00,900 --> 01:37:59,380
interviewed people extensively on it and

2365
01:38:04,050 --> 01:38:00,910
of course you have to ask the question

2366
01:38:05,580 --> 01:38:04,060
who would lie to the KGB so you have to

2367
01:38:07,740 --> 01:38:05,590
kind of take what these people told the

2368
01:38:10,020 --> 01:38:07,750
KGB as truth and that particular

2369
01:38:11,580 --> 01:38:10,030
sighting had so much evidence that it

2370
01:38:13,950 --> 01:38:11,590
actually went into a report that

2371
01:38:16,980 --> 01:38:13,960
Laurance Rockefeller the brother of

2372
01:38:19,620 --> 01:38:16,990
Nelson Rockefeller funded and gave to

2373
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:19,630
President Clinton in the mid 90s which

2374
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:21,610
had a lot of really good evidence to of

2375
01:38:25,260 --> 01:38:23,440
a number of UFO sightings

2376
01:38:27,210 --> 01:38:25,270
what Clinton did with it no one knows

2377
01:38:28,620 --> 01:38:27,220
but you know because the Rockefeller the

2378
01:38:31,350 --> 01:38:28,630
name can open so many do is he

2379
01:38:34,410 --> 01:38:31,360
it was actually it was actually able to

2380
01:38:36,330 --> 01:38:34,420
hand a UFO investigative document to the

2381
01:38:38,010 --> 01:38:36,340
President of the United States well we

2382
01:38:40,410 --> 01:38:38,020
know our own Chris O'Brien had some

2383
01:38:41,910 --> 01:38:40,420
goings-on with mr. Rockefeller mm-hmm

2384
01:38:43,169 --> 01:38:41,920
well he was an interesting guy I mean

2385
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:43,179
you know that finally someone who's a

2386
01:38:46,919 --> 01:38:45,250
billionaire who was very interested in

2387
01:38:49,410 --> 01:38:46,929
trying to get to the bottom of the UFO

2388
01:38:51,689 --> 01:38:49,420
puzzle and my hats off to what the other

2389
01:38:53,310 --> 01:38:51,699
place in Russia too is this place

2390
01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:53,320
that Chris mentioned before called the M

2391
01:38:56,669 --> 01:38:55,090
triangle which is that the exact

2392
01:38:59,340 --> 01:38:56,679
opposite end of what's going on at

2393
01:39:01,229 --> 01:38:59,350
Kapusta yeah there's a it's a forty

2394
01:39:03,660 --> 01:39:01,239
square mile track of land near the Ural

2395
01:39:06,930 --> 01:39:03,670
Mountains in Russia at a very isolated

2396
01:39:08,970 --> 01:39:06,940
place and before the Soviet Union fell

2397
01:39:10,770 --> 01:39:08,980
they wouldn't let any civilians go into

2398
01:39:12,570 --> 01:39:10,780
the place though there's lots of reports

2399
01:39:14,820 --> 01:39:12,580
that the KGB would go into this place so

2400
01:39:16,260 --> 01:39:14,830
but when the Soviet Union fell on the

2401
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:16,270
Russian government came over became a

2402
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:17,770
little more liberal they a lot of

2403
01:39:21,990 --> 01:39:19,810
researches and recorders to go in there

2404
01:39:23,700 --> 01:39:22,000
and it's just this very strange place I

2405
01:39:26,220 --> 01:39:23,710
mean they see lots of UFOs but what's a

2406
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:26,230
very odd things happen there like you

2407
01:39:30,780 --> 01:39:28,690
know they'll be camping out in a very

2408
01:39:32,879 --> 01:39:30,790
heavy level forest area and yet they

2409
01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:32,889
they hit traffic as if it's passing by

2410
01:39:37,860 --> 01:39:35,650
them just a few feet away they hear like

2411
01:39:40,229 --> 01:39:37,870
a choir noise people report hearing like

2412
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:40,239
a choir singing in this place supposedly

2413
01:39:43,740 --> 01:39:41,770
the animals don't have any fear of

2414
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:43,750
humans the fish come right up to you or

2415
01:39:46,050 --> 01:39:45,610
if you're in the pond or a stream or

2416
01:39:48,689 --> 01:39:46,060
something

2417
01:39:50,490 --> 01:39:48,699
supposedly you can't make a cell phone

2418
01:39:52,169 --> 01:39:50,500
call any from anywhere on the EM

2419
01:39:53,729 --> 01:39:52,179
triangle unless you're standing in this

2420
01:39:55,169 --> 01:39:53,739
place that they call the call box and

2421
01:39:57,180 --> 01:39:55,179
it's just a five foot by five foot

2422
01:39:59,070 --> 01:39:57,190
square that if you stand in the middle

2423
01:40:01,530 --> 01:39:59,080
of it you can make a cell phone call to

2424
01:40:02,070 --> 01:40:01,540
any place in the world people see the

2425
01:40:04,290 --> 01:40:02,080
stars

2426
01:40:07,050 --> 01:40:04,300
creating strange formations overhead

2427
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:07,060
they see these odd spheres going

2428
01:40:12,810 --> 01:40:10,210
overhead seem to interact sometimes with

2429
01:40:14,669 --> 01:40:12,820
people but the most profound thing is

2430
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:14,679
that these reports that you know I keep

2431
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:17,050
kept coming upon where people would go

2432
01:40:20,250 --> 01:40:18,610
into the empty land they would come out

2433
01:40:21,570 --> 01:40:20,260
and they would be literally changed that

2434
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:21,580
personality would be changed the

2435
01:40:25,890 --> 01:40:23,050
Russians call it they would have a new

2436
01:40:27,899 --> 01:40:25,900
soul where they would just have a better

2437
01:40:29,370 --> 01:40:27,909
outlook on life some people went in

2438
01:40:31,350 --> 01:40:29,380
there with diseases and they were cured

2439
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:31,360
the best story that we dug up was this

2440
01:40:34,979 --> 01:40:33,010
gentleman who was washed out of the

2441
01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:34,989
Soviet military was unemployed became a

2442
01:40:38,729 --> 01:40:37,360
journalist got a gig to go and report on

2443
01:40:41,930 --> 01:40:38,739
the EM Triangle he was there for two

2444
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:41,940
weeks and when he came back oh he

2445
01:40:45,590 --> 01:40:43,410
they had this knowledge of astrophysics

2446
01:40:48,290 --> 01:40:45,600
in astronomy and regular physics and

2447
01:40:50,930 --> 01:40:48,300
within 18 months he was a cosmonaut with

2448
01:40:53,090 --> 01:40:50,940
really no formal training in fact People

2449
01:40:55,220 --> 01:40:53,100
magazine to destroy on the guy just

2450
01:40:56,689 --> 01:40:55,230
because his being in the EM triangle for

2451
01:40:58,280 --> 01:40:56,699
a couple weeks and there's just dozens

2452
01:41:00,320 --> 01:40:58,290
of stories like this about this place

2453
01:41:01,850 --> 01:41:00,330
it's just a fascinating place and

2454
01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:01,860
someone asked me yeah than a day of all

2455
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:03,210
the places in the book where would I

2456
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:04,800
want to go for us I would rather I would

2457
01:41:08,630 --> 01:41:07,050
like to go to M triangle first not the

2458
01:41:10,700 --> 01:41:08,640
Bermuda Triangle we don't hear much

2459
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:10,710
about the Bermuda Triangle anymore Mac

2460
01:41:16,970 --> 01:41:14,130
are there any recent stories that we can

2461
01:41:19,070 --> 01:41:16,980
look at well only that Autec the Navy's

2462
01:41:20,540 --> 01:41:19,080
area 51 is and they built it right in

2463
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:20,550
the middle of the Bermuda Triangle which

2464
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:23,850
I in itself I find interesting but you

2465
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:25,290
know that's maybe another thing that's

2466
01:41:29,689 --> 01:41:28,170
been kind of you know overexposed to

2467
01:41:31,370 --> 01:41:29,699
whatever I still think it's a

2468
01:41:33,380 --> 01:41:31,380
fascinating place because strange things

2469
01:41:35,900 --> 01:41:33,390
do happen there there's no doubt about

2470
01:41:38,030 --> 01:41:35,910
it and it really is a larger area than

2471
01:41:39,740 --> 01:41:38,040
people think it goes from Bermuda and it

2472
01:41:41,120 --> 01:41:39,750
goes right down to that pilot port

2473
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:41,130
Rico that Chris was talking about

2474
01:41:45,350 --> 01:41:43,050
encompasses all of the Bahamas there's

2475
01:41:46,900 --> 01:41:45,360
all kinds of strange paranormal stories

2476
01:41:49,340 --> 01:41:46,910
that come out of the Bahamas strange

2477
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:49,350
creatures living there and so on and

2478
01:41:53,180 --> 01:41:51,810
ghost ships and stuff like that hmm yeah

2479
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:53,190
the Navy just chose to build their

2480
01:41:56,830 --> 01:41:54,810
secret base right in the middle this

2481
01:41:59,470 --> 01:41:56,840
place I think that's interesting

2482
01:42:03,080 --> 01:41:59,480
certainly a fascinating way to explore

2483
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:03,090
what's going on now in your work with

2484
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:05,010
Chris you talked to our own Chris

2485
01:42:09,320 --> 01:42:07,530
O'Brien about the mysterious valley any

2486
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:09,330
interesting insights you can offer him

2487
01:42:12,110 --> 01:42:10,530
we're getting near the end of the

2488
01:42:14,150 --> 01:42:12,120
segment so we'll continue through the

2489
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:14,160
next one I have to thank Chris for his

2490
01:42:17,750 --> 01:42:15,810
help in putting that chapter together

2491
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:17,760
because he's really the person who

2492
01:42:20,930 --> 01:42:19,410
should be speaking about it not me

2493
01:42:22,939 --> 01:42:20,940
you have just reported a lot of the

2494
01:42:24,770 --> 01:42:22,949
information that he was very generous

2495
01:42:26,180 --> 01:42:24,780
and giving me it that would be the

2496
01:42:27,890 --> 01:42:26,190
second place I ever want to go in fact I

2497
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:27,900
probably would go there first just

2498
01:42:31,610 --> 01:42:29,850
despair that the number of things that

2499
01:42:33,170 --> 01:42:31,620
happened there and then it just begins

2500
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:33,180
when you have fallen close to ghosts and

2501
01:42:39,860 --> 01:42:36,690
shadow people and okay in flying humans

2502
01:42:43,370 --> 01:42:39,870
and you know the works of every strange

2503
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:43,380
place once again surrounded a place that

2504
01:42:47,990 --> 01:42:46,050
has many military bases around it

2505
01:42:49,729 --> 01:42:48,000
surrounding it doing classified work it

2506
01:42:50,959 --> 01:42:49,739
just kind of goes hand in hand with

2507
01:42:54,020 --> 01:42:50,969
these strange things for some reason

2508
01:42:55,240 --> 01:42:54,030
just to add to the paranoia here in the

2509
01:42:56,950 --> 01:42:55,250
course of your

2510
01:43:00,510 --> 01:42:56,960
studies an investigation to put this

2511
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:00,520
book together did you run across anybody

2512
01:43:08,860 --> 01:43:04,010
from military or intelligence saying

2513
01:43:11,410 --> 01:43:08,870
don't go there well no but I have had a

2514
01:43:12,820 --> 01:43:11,420
lot of trouble with my phones I mean

2515
01:43:15,100 --> 01:43:12,830
that's the only way I can describe it

2516
01:43:16,270 --> 01:43:15,110
when I started promoting UFOs in one

2517
01:43:18,220 --> 01:43:16,280
time about a year and a half ago

2518
01:43:20,830 --> 01:43:18,230
suddenly I started having trouble with

2519
01:43:22,990 --> 01:43:20,840
my phone being cut off hearing echoing

2520
01:43:25,780 --> 01:43:23,000
hearing lots of static and I've had

2521
01:43:27,700 --> 01:43:25,790
people who work for the FBI tell me that

2522
01:43:29,350 --> 01:43:27,710
my phone has been tapped and I just

2523
01:43:31,900 --> 01:43:29,360
don't want to believe it and it but it's

2524
01:43:33,610 --> 01:43:31,910
only when I'm talking about UFOs you

2525
01:43:35,410 --> 01:43:33,620
know I mean we've had these phones here

2526
01:43:37,660 --> 01:43:35,420
for 20 years never had any problems with

2527
01:43:40,870 --> 01:43:37,670
them but when I'm talking about UFOs it

2528
01:43:44,440 --> 01:43:40,880
just seems they more often then is just

2529
01:43:45,820 --> 01:43:44,450
coincidental I am cut off and hear all

2530
01:43:47,890 --> 01:43:45,830
these things that when I describe them

2531
01:43:51,010 --> 01:43:47,900
to people in the know they say that's a

2532
01:43:52,840 --> 01:43:51,020
symptom of your phone being tapped so I

2533
01:43:54,190 --> 01:43:52,850
think that there's a little bit of

2534
01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:54,200
evidence though I can't imagine the

2535
01:43:57,550 --> 01:43:55,610
government would have the time or spend

2536
01:43:59,140 --> 01:43:57,560
the money to you know eavesdrop on

2537
01:44:00,400 --> 01:43:59,150
someone like me because I'm just someone

2538
01:44:02,290 --> 01:44:00,410
I'm not even a researcher I'm just

2539
01:44:04,270 --> 01:44:02,300
someone who's a reporter who goes out

2540
01:44:06,190 --> 01:44:04,280
and compiles this information and puts

2541
01:44:08,770 --> 01:44:06,200
it all in one kind of manageable text

2542
01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:08,780
but yes there's been strange activity on

2543
01:44:13,090 --> 01:44:11,210
my phone I have to admit well now with

2544
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:13,100
the revelations about what the NSA is

2545
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:15,530
doing I think all our phones are tapped

2546
01:44:19,480 --> 01:44:17,690
well our phones have that they have the

2547
01:44:20,860 --> 01:44:19,490
ability they have they have the ability

2548
01:44:22,750 --> 01:44:20,870
to tap our phones but they're not

2549
01:44:24,820 --> 01:44:22,760
tapping all of our phones that would be

2550
01:44:27,130 --> 01:44:24,830
impossible that's what they claimed no

2551
01:44:29,970 --> 01:44:27,140
they are they are they are creating a

2552
01:44:32,590 --> 01:44:29,980
database of all voice communication all

2553
01:44:34,450 --> 01:44:32,600
traffic cams that are there tied into

2554
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:34,460
the net you know there's a story now

2555
01:44:40,380 --> 01:44:36,770
about traffic cams and about Police

2556
01:44:42,850 --> 01:44:40,390
Department's around the u.s. all of whom

2557
01:44:45,070 --> 01:44:42,860
actually half of whom so far are

2558
01:44:47,470 --> 01:44:45,080
collecting information on your license

2559
01:44:50,100 --> 01:44:47,480
plate they record license plate numbers

2560
01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:50,110
supposedly to be able to coordinate with

2561
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:52,850
crime databases to see if you're legal

2562
01:44:57,580 --> 01:44:55,130
or not or if the license plate is legal

2563
01:45:00,070 --> 01:44:57,590
or if you're wanted for something but

2564
01:45:02,770 --> 01:45:00,080
you know it goes to show that there's

2565
01:45:04,660 --> 01:45:02,780
hardly anything anybody could do where

2566
01:45:06,910 --> 01:45:04,670
they're not subject to someone's

2567
01:45:08,370 --> 01:45:06,920
scrutiny that maybe you don't want to

2568
01:45:11,310 --> 01:45:08,380
invite we've got Mack

2569
01:45:13,470 --> 01:45:11,320
Loney the book is called beyond the area

2570
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51 and as you see we're exploring not

2571
01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:16,060
just the installations but incredible

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here's Jane Steinberg so Chris is in the

2634
01:48:08,480 --> 01:48:05,400
middle of an extreme going on based on

2635
01:48:10,610 --> 01:48:08,490
the way his voice has changed kind of

2636
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:10,620
choked on that one gene I know I get

2637
01:48:16,160 --> 01:48:13,290
choked up over - we have behind area 51

2638
01:48:19,490 --> 01:48:16,170
is the book Mac Milani is our guest and

2639
01:48:21,830 --> 01:48:19,500
in looking at the liner notes that the

2640
01:48:25,580 --> 01:48:21,840
publisher sent out there's mention of

2641
01:48:26,450 --> 01:48:25,590
UFOs and road rage pray tell what are

2642
01:48:28,760 --> 01:48:26,460
you talking about

2643
01:48:31,730 --> 01:48:28,770
well that occurs down in Australia and

2644
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:31,740
again it's it's very unusual that at

2645
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:32,970
least some of the stories that I came

2646
01:48:38,090 --> 01:48:35,610
upon where it seems that like the UFOs

2647
01:48:42,050 --> 01:48:38,100
that are in Australia resided in

2648
01:48:43,340 --> 01:48:42,060
Australia I really kind of you know

2649
01:48:45,620 --> 01:48:43,350
they're there

2650
01:48:48,610 --> 01:48:45,630
belligerent I guess is the word for it

2651
01:48:51,470 --> 01:48:48,620
usually UFO stories that you hear they

2652
01:48:53,300 --> 01:48:51,480
mostly passive and you know they're

2653
01:48:56,060 --> 01:48:53,310
mostly kind of observing us or whatever

2654
01:48:57,800 --> 01:48:56,070
but down in Australia there's a there's

2655
01:49:00,140 --> 01:48:57,810
a highway that goes through this place

2656
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:00,150
called the nella biplane which it goes

2657
01:49:03,470 --> 01:49:01,650
through a desert from the sentence south

2658
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:03,480
central part of Australia to the western

2659
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:05,370
part of Austria and if there's nothing

2660
01:49:08,450 --> 01:49:07,170
there I mean it literally a doesn't in

2661
01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:08,460
this highway that is the straightest

2662
01:49:11,990 --> 01:49:10,080
stretch of highway in the world and

2663
01:49:13,580 --> 01:49:12,000
people travel this at night because it

2664
01:49:16,010 --> 01:49:13,590
gets really hot during the day and so

2665
01:49:19,460 --> 01:49:16,020
many motorists have been quote-unquote

2666
01:49:21,590 --> 01:49:19,470
attacked by UFOs harassed by UFOs there

2667
01:49:23,810 --> 01:49:21,600
that they put up a sign saying you know

2668
01:49:26,540 --> 01:49:23,820
literally beware of the UFOs if you're

2669
01:49:28,910 --> 01:49:26,550
driving on this highway we give an

2670
01:49:30,440 --> 01:49:28,920
instance of this family mother and three

2671
01:49:32,180 --> 01:49:30,450
grown sons who are travelling on the

2672
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:32,190
highway late at night saw this light

2673
01:49:35,300 --> 01:49:33,570
thought it was a truck coming in the

2674
01:49:37,070 --> 01:49:35,310
opposite direction but it turned out to

2675
01:49:39,050 --> 01:49:37,080
be something that was actually airborne

2676
01:49:41,450 --> 01:49:39,060
that just chased them chasing this

2677
01:49:43,070 --> 01:49:41,460
really kind of terrifying episode for

2678
01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:43,080
these people finally forced the car off

2679
01:49:48,440 --> 01:49:46,050
the road and the people saw the UFO they

2680
01:49:50,900 --> 01:49:48,450
smelt it it was just really this kind of

2681
01:49:52,129 --> 01:49:50,910
frightening UFO episode and police

2682
01:49:53,299 --> 01:49:52,139
investigate it and they said

2683
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:53,309
you know there's there's nothing in this

2684
01:49:56,479 --> 01:49:55,050
story that you know tells us that

2685
01:49:58,189 --> 01:49:56,489
they're making it up and there's just so

2686
01:49:59,839 --> 01:49:58,199
many stories that comes from this

2687
01:50:02,750 --> 01:49:59,849
particular part of Australia and the

2688
01:50:04,729 --> 01:50:02,760
reason may be because there was a secret

2689
01:50:07,069 --> 01:50:04,739
testing facility very close to there

2690
01:50:09,069 --> 01:50:07,079
called wall Mira which was where the

2691
01:50:11,899 --> 01:50:09,079
British government tested its first

2692
01:50:13,250 --> 01:50:11,909
atomic weapons there's no place in UK

2693
01:50:14,750 --> 01:50:13,260
where you can test an atomic weapon

2694
01:50:17,509 --> 01:50:14,760
because it's so small so they brought

2695
01:50:20,479 --> 01:50:17,519
this testing project out to Australia

2696
01:50:22,909 --> 01:50:20,489
took away Aboriginal land by the way by

2697
01:50:24,859 --> 01:50:22,919
force and started lighting off these

2698
01:50:26,870 --> 01:50:24,869
nuclear weapons and as soon as they did

2699
01:50:28,819 --> 01:50:26,880
all these kind of belligerent UFO showed

2700
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:28,829
up and and they're still there very

2701
01:50:32,989 --> 01:50:31,050
strange place Australia's UFOs are

2702
01:50:34,580 --> 01:50:32,999
different than any other UFOs in the

2703
01:50:36,620 --> 01:50:34,590
world well I always thought South

2704
01:50:40,159 --> 01:50:36,630
America's UFOs were quite different the

2705
01:50:41,419 --> 01:50:40,169
sightings tend to be more vivid well

2706
01:50:44,299 --> 01:50:41,429
these are actually where they're

2707
01:50:45,979 --> 01:50:44,309
attacking people and really just causing

2708
01:50:47,540 --> 01:50:45,989
a lot of distress and things like that I

2709
01:50:50,209 --> 01:50:47,550
know that there have been stories about

2710
01:50:52,129 --> 01:50:50,219
UFOs in Brazil that have actually like

2711
01:50:54,169 --> 01:50:52,139
attack villages and stuff but it just

2712
01:50:56,689 --> 01:50:54,179
seems that this long long history of

2713
01:50:58,549 --> 01:50:56,699
UFOs in Australia and and they really

2714
01:51:00,529 --> 01:50:58,559
just started you know when this the

2715
01:51:02,419 --> 01:51:00,539
British started lightening up nuclear

2716
01:51:04,370 --> 01:51:02,429
weapons there and then there's this

2717
01:51:06,919 --> 01:51:04,380
place called Pine Gap which is literally

2718
01:51:09,529 --> 01:51:06,929
in the middle of the geographic middle

2719
01:51:11,899 --> 01:51:09,539
of Australia and talking about the NSA

2720
01:51:14,209 --> 01:51:11,909
this is a huge NSA listening station

2721
01:51:16,310 --> 01:51:14,219
there where there's no one around except

2722
01:51:18,109 --> 01:51:16,320
this base in a small village nearby and

2723
01:51:20,299 --> 01:51:18,119
you know whatever the NSA is doing

2724
01:51:22,639 --> 01:51:20,309
they're doing a lot of it there there's

2725
01:51:24,439 --> 01:51:22,649
been many reports of UFOs over this

2726
01:51:25,969 --> 01:51:24,449
place and actually interacting with the

2727
01:51:27,319 --> 01:51:25,979
people who run the space seeing your

2728
01:51:29,209 --> 01:51:27,329
folks coming out of the mountains and

2729
01:51:31,189 --> 01:51:29,219
stuff like that so that might be a place

2730
01:51:32,929 --> 01:51:31,199
that if we have our own UFOs and I'm

2731
01:51:35,750 --> 01:51:32,939
talking about the US military if they

2732
01:51:37,459 --> 01:51:35,760
have vehicles made to look like UFOs in

2733
01:51:39,169 --> 01:51:37,469
that simply reconnaissance craft and

2734
01:51:40,459 --> 01:51:39,179
they're coming and going from someplace

2735
01:51:42,319 --> 01:51:40,469
there's a good chance they're coming and

2736
01:51:44,179 --> 01:51:42,329
going from Pine Gap because we think of

2737
01:51:46,310 --> 01:51:44,189
it being off the beaten track we don't

2738
01:51:47,899 --> 01:51:46,320
look at that place it's really in the

2739
01:51:50,239 --> 01:51:47,909
middle of nowhere it's it's more far out

2740
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:50,249
than area 51 and there's just so many

2741
01:51:54,949 --> 01:51:53,010
reports of UFOs landing there and so on

2742
01:51:56,899 --> 01:51:54,959
and so forth that you know that would be

2743
01:51:58,969 --> 01:51:56,909
the number one suspect that place in my

2744
01:52:02,299 --> 01:51:58,979
opinion well that brings me to a

2745
01:52:04,379 --> 01:52:02,309
question from OS prime who is a fairly

2746
01:52:06,989 --> 01:52:04,389
recent assignee at

2747
01:52:09,270 --> 01:52:06,999
form dr. Peric ascom on her question

2748
01:52:11,219 --> 01:52:09,280
thread for you Mack he has an

2749
01:52:13,139 --> 01:52:11,229
interesting question we briefly talked

2750
01:52:15,209 --> 01:52:13,149
about homestead Air Force Base earlier

2751
01:52:17,609 --> 01:52:15,219
and his question goes I've noticed that

2752
01:52:19,109 --> 01:52:17,619
some of these secret bases governments

2753
01:52:21,389 --> 01:52:19,119
have around the world are usually built

2754
01:52:23,879 --> 01:52:21,399
on or near areas that have some sort of

2755
01:52:26,879 --> 01:52:23,889
abnormal phenomenon occurring in the

2756
01:52:28,379 --> 01:52:26,889
past being a native of Miami I've always

2757
01:52:30,029 --> 01:52:28,389
been curious to know if the building of

2758
01:52:32,100 --> 01:52:30,039
an Air Force Base in Homestead would

2759
01:52:35,100 --> 01:52:32,110
have anything to do with the supposed

2760
01:52:37,199 --> 01:52:35,110
reverse magnetism used to build the

2761
01:52:39,379 --> 01:52:37,209
Coral Castle just north of Homestead in

2762
01:52:42,239 --> 01:52:39,389
Florida City any thoughts or insights

2763
01:52:44,399 --> 01:52:42,249
interesting question right the Coral

2764
01:52:47,009 --> 01:52:44,409
Castle is a once against a fascinating

2765
01:52:49,500 --> 01:52:47,019
place this gentleman who came from

2766
01:52:52,709 --> 01:52:49,510
Eastern Europe wound up there and he

2767
01:52:55,290 --> 01:52:52,719
built this gigantic kind of castle and

2768
01:52:57,029 --> 01:52:55,300
all kinds of things but would never tell

2769
01:52:58,799 --> 01:52:57,039
anyone how he did it and and he

2770
01:53:01,109 --> 01:52:58,809
certainly didn't have any mechanical

2771
01:53:03,449 --> 01:53:01,119
devices that you would need to build

2772
01:53:05,279 --> 01:53:03,459
something like this how he did it was a

2773
01:53:07,229 --> 01:53:05,289
mystery I don't think anyone really

2774
01:53:08,969 --> 01:53:07,239
knows how he did it and I know that's

2775
01:53:11,399 --> 01:53:08,979
very close to where homestead Air Force

2776
01:53:13,290 --> 01:53:11,409
Base used to be in fact I was gonna do

2777
01:53:14,759 --> 01:53:13,300
kind of a sub chapter on the Coral

2778
01:53:16,350 --> 01:53:14,769
Castle but I just couldn't make that

2779
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:16,360
connection you know they couldn't make

2780
01:53:23,189 --> 01:53:19,570
that connection to UFOs and things of

2781
01:53:24,779 --> 01:53:23,199
that nature so but I will say that that

2782
01:53:27,209 --> 01:53:24,789
it's a very interesting place in

2783
01:53:28,799 --> 01:53:27,219
Homestead Air Force Base and itself was

2784
01:53:30,779 --> 01:53:28,809
a very interesting place and they're in

2785
01:53:33,239 --> 01:53:30,789
the same neighborhood so who knows well

2786
01:53:35,729 --> 01:53:33,249
here's another question in a similar

2787
01:53:38,399 --> 01:53:35,739
vein in terms of the actual area

2788
01:53:42,330 --> 01:53:38,409
it's from are you insane who is a recent

2789
01:53:44,219 --> 01:53:42,340
signee up but form dr. Peric ascom in

2790
01:53:47,339 --> 01:53:44,229
answer to a question no I'm just curious

2791
01:53:48,899 --> 01:53:47,349
hence the name are you insane I gene I

2792
01:53:50,609 --> 01:53:48,909
can't vouch for a Mac I don't think

2793
01:53:52,679 --> 01:53:50,619
you're insane me

2794
01:53:56,609 --> 01:53:52,689
maybe the jury's still out I'll tell you

2795
01:53:58,589 --> 01:53:56,619
what Chris I resemble that remark well

2796
01:54:00,479 --> 01:53:58,599
Matt do you think any of the legends

2797
01:54:03,179 --> 01:54:00,489
surrounding some locales like homestead

2798
01:54:05,729 --> 01:54:03,189
Air Force Base may actually be targeted

2799
01:54:08,399 --> 01:54:05,739
disinfo to distract the public from

2800
01:54:11,489 --> 01:54:08,409
actual government military research well

2801
01:54:13,409 --> 01:54:11,499
well we know that they do those sorts of

2802
01:54:14,669 --> 01:54:13,419
things in other areas so you know

2803
01:54:17,430 --> 01:54:14,679
there's there's no way I could say

2804
01:54:19,340 --> 01:54:17,440
patently no they don't do this but

2805
01:54:21,870 --> 01:54:19,350
as far as you know where you would

2806
01:54:23,600 --> 01:54:21,880
actually want to build an Air Force Base

2807
01:54:25,860 --> 01:54:23,610
a lot of that has to do with political

2808
01:54:27,900 --> 01:54:25,870
considerations you know senators always

2809
01:54:29,640 --> 01:54:27,910
want some kind of a military facility in

2810
01:54:31,590 --> 01:54:29,650
their state because you know it

2811
01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:31,600
generates a lot of federal income and

2812
01:54:35,970 --> 01:54:33,850
and people get jobs and so on and so

2813
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:35,980
forth then these are the military people

2814
01:54:39,420 --> 01:54:37,450
by the way who screamed the same

2815
01:54:42,120 --> 01:54:39,430
government officials senators and

2816
01:54:44,430 --> 01:54:42,130
congressmen to say no pork pork no no no

2817
01:54:46,740 --> 01:54:44,440
no all that money wasted oh we've got a

2818
01:54:48,450 --> 01:54:46,750
military base for you yeah yeah we want

2819
01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:48,460
it here right you know no pork for

2820
01:54:52,650 --> 01:54:50,290
anyone but me is usually what it is and

2821
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:52,660
the majority of the military bases in

2822
01:54:56,190 --> 01:54:54,010
this country you know well throughout

2823
01:54:57,750 --> 01:54:56,200
the south in the southwest because the

2824
01:54:59,430 --> 01:54:57,760
weather is better there and you know

2825
01:55:01,170 --> 01:54:59,440
when it comes to air force bases that

2826
01:55:03,120 --> 01:55:01,180
means that you can fly airplanes more

2827
01:55:04,680 --> 01:55:03,130
than you could if you were up in Vermont

2828
01:55:06,210 --> 01:55:04,690
or Massachusetts or something

2829
01:55:08,490 --> 01:55:06,220
so when they sit down and say we're

2830
01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:08,500
going to build a new Air Force Base here

2831
01:55:12,600 --> 01:55:10,810
here or here I really can't believe that

2832
01:55:15,060 --> 01:55:12,610
you know the fact that it might be close

2833
01:55:16,470 --> 01:55:15,070
to some kind of paranormal you have its

2834
01:55:18,840 --> 01:55:16,480
own paranormal history we would really

2835
01:55:20,820 --> 01:55:18,850
come into the discussion I tend to agree

2836
01:55:24,990 --> 01:55:20,830
I think it's more of a political and

2837
01:55:27,330 --> 01:55:25,000
strategic situation in terms of location

2838
01:55:29,910 --> 01:55:27,340
but here's another one from a longtime

2839
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:29,920
poster Dave mm who's been posting here

2840
01:55:34,530 --> 01:55:33,010
man six years now welcome back Dave we

2841
01:55:36,090 --> 01:55:34,540
haven't heard from you in a while he'll

2842
01:55:37,680 --> 01:55:36,100
keep posting till he gets it right

2843
01:55:40,830 --> 01:55:37,690
that's a nice alt don't take it

2844
01:55:43,350 --> 01:55:40,840
seriously okay we remember you can ask

2845
01:55:45,330 --> 01:55:43,360
questions of our guests and post them at

2846
01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:45,340
our question threat at forum dr. Peric

2847
01:55:49,980 --> 01:55:47,770
ascom mr. Maloney you said you've

2848
01:55:52,620 --> 01:55:49,990
doubted that the die Glocke or the Bell

2849
01:55:54,360 --> 01:55:52,630
ever existed that's the Nazi bell

2850
01:55:55,620 --> 01:55:54,370
project which we've discussed with

2851
01:55:58,200 --> 01:55:55,630
Joseph Ferrell and others in the past

2852
01:56:00,390 --> 01:55:58,210
your reasoning is partially because the

2853
01:56:03,980 --> 01:56:00,400
Nazis don't have didn't have the

2854
01:56:06,270 --> 01:56:03,990
resources for their jet plane the me-262

2855
01:56:09,660 --> 01:56:06,280
so how could they build a time machine

2856
01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:09,670
antigravity device what if they took all

2857
01:56:14,370 --> 01:56:12,490
those resources and tried to complete a

2858
01:56:16,710 --> 01:56:14,380
super weapon that might end the war in

2859
01:56:18,900 --> 01:56:16,720
their favor supposedly the Nazis killed

2860
01:56:21,000 --> 01:56:18,910
off all the scientists that were working

2861
01:56:22,770 --> 01:56:21,010
on the Bell project before they pirated

2862
01:56:26,250 --> 01:56:22,780
the results away before the wars and

2863
01:56:27,900 --> 01:56:26,260
allegedly I might add that might be a

2864
01:56:30,810 --> 01:56:27,910
reason why there was no one left to

2865
01:56:31,290 --> 01:56:30,820
verify that all this happened you also

2866
01:56:32,940 --> 01:56:31,300
mention

2867
01:56:34,470 --> 01:56:32,950
the Nazis had no long-range aircraft

2868
01:56:37,440 --> 01:56:34,480
that could fly from your empty to

2869
01:56:39,510 --> 01:56:37,450
Argentina or the Antarctic - secret to

2870
01:56:41,370 --> 01:56:39,520
Bill the Bella way it would seem that

2871
01:56:43,530 --> 01:56:41,380
all they would have to do is fly to

2872
01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:43,540
Africa get refueled and make their way

2873
01:56:47,460 --> 01:56:45,970
to their location the Nazis must have

2874
01:56:49,020 --> 01:56:47,470
been in contact with some friendly

2875
01:56:50,940 --> 01:56:49,030
African nations where they could have

2876
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:50,950
done a refueling just some food for

2877
01:56:54,810 --> 01:56:53,290
thought he says I did enjoy your book

2878
01:56:58,200 --> 01:56:54,820
even though I'm not quite finished with

2879
01:57:00,090 --> 01:56:58,210
it so where do you land on this last

2880
01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:00,100
time you were on the program you you

2881
01:57:04,470 --> 01:57:02,410
were a little doubtful that that there

2882
01:57:07,350 --> 01:57:04,480
were such things as manmade UFOs and

2883
01:57:09,510 --> 01:57:07,360
that the Nazis in your mind were unable

2884
01:57:11,910 --> 01:57:09,520
to complete any sort of research in this

2885
01:57:13,650 --> 01:57:11,920
regard however researchers such as

2886
01:57:16,740 --> 01:57:13,660
Joseph Ferrell who I mentioned before

2887
01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:16,750
Henry Stevens there's been a number of

2888
01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:18,970
them over the years have some pretty

2889
01:57:22,890 --> 01:57:20,890
interesting documentation that that does

2890
01:57:26,670 --> 01:57:22,900
suggest that possibly some of these

2891
01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:26,680
exotic aerial platforms made it to the

2892
01:57:28,500 --> 01:57:28,210
testing stage where you come down on

2893
01:57:33,090 --> 01:57:28,510
that

2894
01:57:40,370 --> 01:57:33,100
with gene and Chris you're in the para

2895
01:57:46,500 --> 01:57:44,370
is there a secret UFO agenda to strange

2896
01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:46,510
creatures from the darkest corners of

2897
01:57:51,770 --> 01:57:48,970
the mind roam the earth is there

2898
01:57:55,410 --> 01:57:51,780
evidence for mind control time travel or

2899
01:57:57,030 --> 01:57:55,420
devious government conspiracies find out

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2910
01:58:32,040 --> 01:58:26,560
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2911
01:58:37,729 --> 01:58:32,050
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2912
01:58:42,570 --> 01:58:40,890
on the average Americans work between 45

2913
01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:42,580
to 50 years hoping to build up enough

2914
01:58:47,010 --> 01:58:44,410
wealth to retire and live out their

2915
01:58:49,590 --> 01:58:47,020
golden years unfortunately with taxation

2916
01:58:51,810 --> 01:58:49,600
the rising cost of food energy housing

2917
01:58:53,790 --> 01:58:51,820
and medical many retirees are forced to

2918
01:58:55,950 --> 01:58:53,800
live below the poverty line is this a

2919
01:58:57,419 --> 01:58:55,960
fly free enterprise or is our monetary

2920
01:58:59,850 --> 01:58:57,429
unit we call the Federal Reserve Note

2921
01:59:01,830 --> 01:58:59,860
forcing us into perpetual debt ensuring

2922
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:01,840
inflation in higher taxes these

2923
01:59:05,280 --> 01:59:03,370
questions and more can be answered by

2924
01:59:06,990 --> 01:59:05,290
reading G Edward Griffin book the

2925
01:59:08,970 --> 01:59:07,000
creature from Jekyll Island congressman

2926
01:59:11,700 --> 01:59:08,980
Ron Paul states it's what every American

2927
01:59:13,860 --> 01:59:11,710
needs to know about central bank power a

2928
01:59:16,380 --> 01:59:13,870
gripping adventure into the secret world

2929
01:59:18,180 --> 01:59:16,390
of international banking cartel hi this

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dr. Peric ascom our guest is Mac Maloney

2990
02:02:17,120 --> 02:02:14,730
author of a number of books including

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beyond area 51 Mac you've had a couple

2992
02:02:21,110 --> 02:02:18,929
of moments there to digest the question

2993
02:02:22,760 --> 02:02:21,120
what's your response well it's the same

2994
02:02:25,580 --> 02:02:22,770
responses you know the last time we

2995
02:02:28,280 --> 02:02:25,590
talked and what it is is that sure the

2996
02:02:30,410 --> 02:02:28,290
Nazis were always looking for better

2997
02:02:32,810 --> 02:02:30,420
ways to build airplanes to build

2998
02:02:34,520 --> 02:02:32,820
fighters and so on their scientists were

2999
02:02:36,140 --> 02:02:34,530
really forward-looking I mean they're

3000
02:02:38,030 --> 02:02:36,150
the people want of Ron Brian and his

3001
02:02:40,459 --> 02:02:38,040
crew whether people came over to the US

3002
02:02:42,709 --> 02:02:40,469
and formed the basis of NASA and put us

3003
02:02:44,570 --> 02:02:42,719
on the moon so the Nazis did put us on

3004
02:02:46,790 --> 02:02:44,580
the moon there's just that's historical

3005
02:02:49,250 --> 02:02:46,800
fact but was not a historical fact is

3006
02:02:52,010 --> 02:02:49,260
the many claims made by people who say

3007
02:02:53,330 --> 02:02:52,020
that the Nazis had UFOs that some of

3008
02:02:55,220 --> 02:02:53,340
these UFOs actually took place

3009
02:02:57,890 --> 02:02:55,230
it took pot in some battles some famous

3010
02:03:00,320 --> 02:02:57,900
battles and this then this whole story

3011
02:03:01,320 --> 02:03:00,330
of the Bell was at a time machine was it

3012
02:03:04,230 --> 02:03:01,330
something

3013
02:03:07,290 --> 02:03:04,240
if it was could go into space you know

3014
02:03:09,330 --> 02:03:07,300
that it lead to a Nazi base and so on

3015
02:03:11,220 --> 02:03:09,340
and so forth you know my response to it

3016
02:03:13,320 --> 02:03:11,230
is that it's all nonsense

3017
02:03:16,140 --> 02:03:13,330
all you have to do is look at the

3018
02:03:18,690 --> 02:03:16,150
numbers to put together the u.s. atomic

3019
02:03:21,840 --> 02:03:18,700
bomb the first atomic bomb took people

3020
02:03:23,910 --> 02:03:21,850
working in 16 different states and a lot

3021
02:03:26,550 --> 02:03:23,920
of it was coordinated at Oakridge it

3022
02:03:29,250 --> 02:03:26,560
took 25 billion dollars it took more

3023
02:03:31,200 --> 02:03:29,260
than 150 thousand people working on it

3024
02:03:34,440 --> 02:03:31,210
and took them more than four years to do

3025
02:03:36,690 --> 02:03:34,450
it it was a very extensive program that

3026
02:03:38,430 --> 02:03:36,700
left a lot of footprints once the atom

3027
02:03:40,740 --> 02:03:38,440
bomb was finally revealed to the public

3028
02:03:43,830 --> 02:03:40,750
when we went into Germany after World

3029
02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:43,840
War two nothing even faintly close to

3030
02:03:49,710 --> 02:03:46,330
any kind of US infrastructure like that

3031
02:03:52,370 --> 02:03:49,720
was found that would be needed for the

3032
02:03:55,590 --> 02:03:52,380
Nazis to be looking into time machines

3033
02:03:58,830 --> 02:03:55,600
perpetual motion machines UFOs that

3034
02:04:00,900 --> 02:03:58,840
actually could take part in dogfights

3035
02:04:03,720 --> 02:04:00,910
so on and so forth and I really find

3036
02:04:05,580 --> 02:04:03,730
this very disturbing people who kind of

3037
02:04:07,260 --> 02:04:05,590
look into these things because in a way

3038
02:04:09,720 --> 02:04:07,270
whether they know it or not it's just

3039
02:04:12,180 --> 02:04:09,730
prolonging the Nazi myth as supe as

3040
02:04:15,420 --> 02:04:12,190
being supermen and I just think that if

3041
02:04:17,730 --> 02:04:15,430
anyone has the wherewithal to actually

3042
02:04:19,110 --> 02:04:17,740
sit down and write a book about UFOs I

3043
02:04:20,970 --> 02:04:19,120
think they should write a book about

3044
02:04:22,860 --> 02:04:20,980
UFOs that would get us closer to

3045
02:04:24,930 --> 02:04:22,870
figuring out what they are and not

3046
02:04:27,120 --> 02:04:24,940
basically make up these stories about

3047
02:04:30,300 --> 02:04:27,130
what Superman the Nazis were if the

3048
02:04:32,400 --> 02:04:30,310
Nazis had this kind of technology why

3049
02:04:34,650 --> 02:04:32,410
did they lose the war but it doesn't it

3050
02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:34,660
sound more romantic to think that the

3051
02:04:39,690 --> 02:04:36,970
Nazis were supermen or maybe we fell

3052
02:04:42,420 --> 02:04:39,700
into the myth of their belief in their

3053
02:04:46,110 --> 02:04:42,430
own superiority well you know I can't

3054
02:04:49,020 --> 02:04:46,120
equate Nazism with romanticism okay what

3055
02:04:52,770 --> 02:04:49,030
I'm saying guys is that this is the way

3056
02:04:53,970 --> 02:04:52,780
it's treated in some books we make

3057
02:04:55,740 --> 02:04:53,980
something that was really pretty

3058
02:04:57,180 --> 02:04:55,750
horrible and we try to make it romantic

3059
02:04:59,580 --> 02:04:57,190
of course it's not

3060
02:05:01,770 --> 02:04:59,590
well that's misguided in my opinion you

3061
02:05:03,210 --> 02:05:01,780
know I've devoured about five books that

3062
02:05:05,190 --> 02:05:03,220
Joseph Ferrell is written and there's a

3063
02:05:08,070 --> 02:05:05,200
lot of good research in there that would

3064
02:05:11,280 --> 02:05:08,080
suggest that unfortunately because of

3065
02:05:13,320 --> 02:05:11,290
the fast thinking on the Allies part

3066
02:05:15,450 --> 02:05:13,330
with the invasion Normandy

3067
02:05:18,510 --> 02:05:15,460
and some pretty pretty impressive

3068
02:05:21,690 --> 02:05:18,520
generalship there in Western Europe that

3069
02:05:23,550 --> 02:05:21,700
perhaps we beat them to Berlin before

3070
02:05:26,640 --> 02:05:23,560
their development curve and they're

3071
02:05:29,580 --> 02:05:26,650
there their actual you know the program

3072
02:05:32,070 --> 02:05:29,590
to get these things operational was not

3073
02:05:34,160 --> 02:05:32,080
completed and I just find a very

3074
02:05:37,290 --> 02:05:34,170
interesting that we that we appropriate

3075
02:05:40,110 --> 02:05:37,300
several hundred Nazi scientists under

3076
02:05:40,620 --> 02:05:40,120
under the auspices of Operation

3077
02:05:45,300 --> 02:05:40,630
Paperclip

3078
02:05:47,520 --> 02:05:45,310
and among those scientists we also got a

3079
02:05:51,300 --> 02:05:47,530
lot of intelligence operatives and when

3080
02:05:54,540 --> 02:05:51,310
the CIA was started in 1947 our entire

3081
02:05:57,600 --> 02:05:54,550
Eastern European and Russian espionage

3082
02:06:01,740 --> 02:05:57,610
Corps were boiler plated from the Nazis

3083
02:06:04,530 --> 02:06:01,750
and and Ryanair gearheart I believe was

3084
02:06:07,410 --> 02:06:04,540
his name was these these people were

3085
02:06:09,090 --> 02:06:07,420
left in place and instead of owing

3086
02:06:11,760 --> 02:06:09,100
allegiance to Germany they all of a

3087
02:06:13,470 --> 02:06:11,770
sudden were our spies if you look at

3088
02:06:16,290 --> 02:06:13,480
Joseph Farrell's work and Henry Stevens

3089
02:06:19,320 --> 02:06:16,300
and others I discounting it as fantasy

3090
02:06:21,600 --> 02:06:19,330
to me is disingenuous I I don't I'm not

3091
02:06:23,730 --> 02:06:21,610
I'm not saying it's fantasy I'm you know

3092
02:06:25,620 --> 02:06:23,740
there is a lot of very interesting

3093
02:06:28,080 --> 02:06:25,630
document well but they did not have UFOs

3094
02:06:29,670 --> 02:06:28,090
that fought as dog fighters and they did

3095
02:06:33,570 --> 02:06:29,680
they do not have a secret base in

3096
02:06:35,640 --> 02:06:33,580
Antarctica or or and they weren't then

3097
02:06:37,080 --> 02:06:35,650
they weren't in communications with you

3098
02:06:39,300 --> 02:06:37,090
know people who lived on Alderaan

3099
02:06:40,830 --> 02:06:39,310
somewhere who we're giving them you know

3100
02:06:42,570 --> 02:06:40,840
all this advice and technical knowledge

3101
02:06:44,070 --> 02:06:42,580
on how to build these things and this

3102
02:06:46,320 --> 02:06:44,080
yes is where a lot of this stuff comes

3103
02:06:50,010 --> 02:06:46,330
with the belt they had a lot of very a

3104
02:06:51,840 --> 02:06:50,020
lot of very very forward-thinking yeah

3105
02:06:53,990 --> 02:06:51,850
aeronautical people working there and

3106
02:06:56,310 --> 02:06:54,000
they put together some very interesting

3107
02:06:59,640 --> 02:06:56,320
prototypes of planes and of course they

3108
02:07:00,810 --> 02:06:59,650
had the v1 and the v2 bombs rockets I

3109
02:07:02,490 --> 02:07:00,820
mean they were the first ballistic

3110
02:07:04,140 --> 02:07:02,500
missiles and the v1 was the first kind

3111
02:07:06,240 --> 02:07:04,150
of cruise missile they did all those

3112
02:07:08,580 --> 02:07:06,250
things but what I'm saying is that they

3113
02:07:09,990 --> 02:07:08,590
have once again like the Altamont and

3114
02:07:12,060 --> 02:07:10,000
there have been books and people go

3115
02:07:14,010 --> 02:07:12,070
around lecturing and and they go on

3116
02:07:16,140 --> 02:07:14,020
radio interviews claiming that all this

3117
02:07:20,310 --> 02:07:16,150
stuff is true all this crazy stuff about

3118
02:07:23,190 --> 02:07:20,320
magic is fantasy that is actually I

3119
02:07:24,260 --> 02:07:23,200
can't lump Joseph Farrow Henri's I'm not

3120
02:07:27,610 --> 02:07:24,270
I'm not doing that

3121
02:07:30,110 --> 02:07:27,620
I'm agreeing to the the fantasy

3122
02:07:32,180 --> 02:07:30,120
promulgated she just can't you have to

3123
02:07:35,420 --> 02:07:32,190
differentiate between good research that

3124
02:07:38,300 --> 02:07:35,430
that definitely is worthy of love

3125
02:07:40,160 --> 02:07:38,310
scrutiny and other people taking that

3126
02:07:42,530 --> 02:07:40,170
research and then spinning it off into

3127
02:07:44,960 --> 02:07:42,540
into Fantasyland there is a difference

3128
02:07:47,090 --> 02:07:44,970
and my only my only point here is that

3129
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:47,100
there were certain things that were

3130
02:07:52,640 --> 02:07:50,010
occurring in the skies over over Europe

3131
02:07:54,320 --> 02:07:52,650
during the latter couple years of World

3132
02:07:55,610 --> 02:07:54,330
War two I'm talking about the Foo

3133
02:07:57,350 --> 02:07:55,620
Fighters what what do you think the Foo

3134
02:07:59,180 --> 02:07:57,360
Fighters were well that's what my first

3135
02:08:01,010 --> 02:07:59,190
book was all about you know I mean most

3136
02:08:03,500 --> 02:08:01,020
of it was about we don't know what the

3137
02:08:06,290 --> 02:08:03,510
Foo Fighters were because where most of

3138
02:08:08,570 --> 02:08:06,300
the reports came from Allied Pilots both

3139
02:08:10,610 --> 02:08:08,580
in the European theater and the Pacific

3140
02:08:13,010 --> 02:08:10,620
Theater after war was over turned out

3141
02:08:15,500 --> 02:08:13,020
that a lot of German pilots and Japanese

3142
02:08:17,210 --> 02:08:15,510
pilots saw them too so it was this you

3143
02:08:18,500 --> 02:08:17,220
know if you can imagine people sitting

3144
02:08:20,060 --> 02:08:18,510
across the table from each other saying

3145
02:08:21,350 --> 02:08:20,070
we thought they were your secret weapons

3146
02:08:22,790 --> 02:08:21,360
and the Germans say back to us we

3147
02:08:24,530 --> 02:08:22,800
thought they were yours no one knows

3148
02:08:26,480 --> 02:08:24,540
what Foo Fighters work because Foo

3149
02:08:29,120 --> 02:08:26,490
Fighters are UFOs and no one knows what

3150
02:08:31,790 --> 02:08:29,130
UFOs are either once again did the Nazis

3151
02:08:34,280 --> 02:08:31,800
have some really forward-thinking kind

3152
02:08:36,290 --> 02:08:34,290
of aeronautical projects going sure you

3153
02:08:38,210 --> 02:08:36,300
know I mean the couple would would order

3154
02:08:39,680 --> 02:08:38,220
something forward-thinking or what he

3155
02:08:42,110 --> 02:08:39,690
thought was forward-thinking every day

3156
02:08:45,410 --> 02:08:42,120
and they would have to go out and try to

3157
02:08:46,490 --> 02:08:45,420
you know accomplish it but in what these

3158
02:08:48,260 --> 02:08:46,500
people and I gotta tell you I'm not

3159
02:08:50,330 --> 02:08:48,270
familiar with with very familiar with

3160
02:08:52,310 --> 02:08:50,340
some of the names that you mentioned but

3161
02:08:54,050 --> 02:08:52,320
I can tell you this that there is no

3162
02:08:57,680 --> 02:08:54,060
nothing happened with this so-called

3163
02:09:01,280 --> 02:08:57,690
Bell and the Nazis did not have any kind

3164
02:09:03,350 --> 02:09:01,290
of workable ufo-shaped aircraft that

3165
02:09:05,510 --> 02:09:03,360
took part in dogfights over like

3166
02:09:08,180 --> 02:09:05,520
schweinfurt and places like that

3167
02:09:10,010 --> 02:09:08,190
plus there was no footprint of any kind

3168
02:09:12,110 --> 02:09:10,020
of infrastructure that would suggest

3169
02:09:15,200 --> 02:09:12,120
that the Nazis had anything more than a

3170
02:09:17,450 --> 02:09:15,210
lot of interesting stuff barely off the

3171
02:09:19,160 --> 02:09:17,460
drawing woods when we got into Germany

3172
02:09:21,230 --> 02:09:19,170
and really looked at it plus you said it

3173
02:09:23,030 --> 02:09:21,240
yourself a lot of the German scientists

3174
02:09:25,070 --> 02:09:23,040
that came over to the United States and

3175
02:09:28,220 --> 02:09:25,080
Operation Paperclip they were you know

3176
02:09:30,380 --> 02:09:28,230
debriefed a pinging game I'm sure by

3177
02:09:31,790 --> 02:09:30,390
this CIA don't you think that some of

3178
02:09:35,029 --> 02:09:31,800
those people would have been involved in

3179
02:09:37,220 --> 02:09:35,039
these very exotic ways opposed well

3180
02:09:40,160 --> 02:09:37,230
knows that that they were and they were

3181
02:09:42,649 --> 02:09:40,170
secret away from the other scientists

3182
02:09:44,419 --> 02:09:42,659
and and set up in black projects where

3183
02:09:46,490 --> 02:09:44,429
the results of it now this is over you

3184
02:09:49,069 --> 02:09:46,500
know the boys become for so long sixty

3185
02:09:51,500 --> 02:09:49,079
years or more well that's a really good

3186
02:09:54,290 --> 02:09:51,510
question I think this is the whole topic

3187
02:09:57,799 --> 02:09:54,300
of conversation that the UFO community

3188
02:09:59,990 --> 02:09:57,809
would rather I think by and large sort

3189
02:10:01,580 --> 02:10:00,000
of put back in the closet and not really

3190
02:10:03,439 --> 02:10:01,590
address it and there's a few researchers

3191
02:10:05,450 --> 02:10:03,449
that over the years have slowly

3192
02:10:07,189 --> 02:10:05,460
uncovered quite a bit of very very

3193
02:10:10,009 --> 02:10:07,199
tantalizing research I would recommend

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you're listening to the podcast the gold

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with gene and Chris in the para cast we

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have Chris debating with Mack Maloney

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over what the Nazis may or may not have

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02:15:12,130 --> 02:15:09,590
done with their various inventions and

3301
02:15:14,680 --> 02:15:12,140
stuff in World War 2 well just the whole

3302
02:15:17,920 --> 02:15:14,690
subject gene of man-made UFOs I think

3303
02:15:19,930 --> 02:15:17,930
our capabilities Aeronautical II are

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light years ahead of what our government

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has officially and publicly acknowledged

3306
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I don't think Mac has any disagreement

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with that I think that this technology

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02:15:31,720 --> 02:15:29,600
goes back into the 30s the development

3309
02:15:35,410 --> 02:15:31,730
of this technology viktor schauberger

3310
02:15:38,080 --> 02:15:35,420
and his vortex were infinitely

3311
02:15:40,420 --> 02:15:38,090
fascinating the fact that German

3312
02:15:42,400 --> 02:15:40,430
submarine was I think scuttled and or

3313
02:15:44,040 --> 02:15:42,410
captured and then scuttled containing

3314
02:15:46,780 --> 02:15:44,050
mercury that was on its way to Japan

3315
02:15:49,360 --> 02:15:46,790
there's some very interesting little

3316
02:15:52,300 --> 02:15:49,370
vignettes here and there that most

3317
02:15:54,940 --> 02:15:52,310
people don't know about that D tie into

3318
02:15:57,700 --> 02:15:54,950
an overall kind of overarching picture

3319
02:16:00,130 --> 02:15:57,710
that I feel deserves more research I

3320
02:16:03,430 --> 02:16:00,140
don't buy into these theories lock stock

3321
02:16:05,500 --> 02:16:03,440
and barrel but it definitely is worthy

3322
02:16:07,930 --> 02:16:05,510
of our further investigation and

3323
02:16:09,370 --> 02:16:07,940
research and in Mack I really enjoyed

3324
02:16:11,320 --> 02:16:09,380
your first book when you were on the

3325
02:16:13,860 --> 02:16:11,330
first time was it you a force during

3326
02:16:17,260 --> 02:16:13,870
wartime correct yes some of some of the

3327
02:16:20,050 --> 02:16:17,270
events and in reports that you on earth

3328
02:16:22,570 --> 02:16:20,060
in that book are really impressive I

3329
02:16:25,690 --> 02:16:22,580
think most people aren't aware of how

3330
02:16:28,660 --> 02:16:25,700
extensive the Foo Fighter phenomenon was

3331
02:16:30,580 --> 02:16:28,670
for instance and and there are some very

3332
02:16:32,920 --> 02:16:30,590
very tantalizing clues that suggest that

3333
02:16:34,990 --> 02:16:32,930
some of these things may have had very

3334
02:16:37,600 --> 02:16:35,000
terrestrial origins so where do you come

3335
02:16:39,040 --> 02:16:37,610
down with the state of Technology what

3336
02:16:40,540 --> 02:16:39,050
do you think of Ben rich saying that we

3337
02:16:42,580 --> 02:16:40,550
have the technology to take eat with

3338
02:16:44,020 --> 02:16:42,590
your capability to take e.t home or

3339
02:16:46,600 --> 02:16:44,030
everything that you could possibly

3340
02:16:48,430 --> 02:16:46,610
imagine we can do that sort of thing do

3341
02:16:50,170 --> 02:16:48,440
you think this is just a you know kind

3342
02:16:52,240 --> 02:16:50,180
of locker room boasting or do you think

3343
02:16:53,770 --> 02:16:52,250
that there's something behind some of

3344
02:16:56,530 --> 02:16:53,780
the top aerospace experts in this

3345
02:16:58,780 --> 02:16:56,540
country intimating that we do have a

3346
02:17:01,060 --> 02:16:58,790
very exotic capabilities and

3347
02:17:03,520 --> 02:17:01,070
technologies I've seen that the been

3348
02:17:05,560 --> 02:17:03,530
rich you know quote and you know I'm not

3349
02:17:08,290 --> 02:17:05,570
really sure what the context of him

3350
02:17:10,849 --> 02:17:08,300
talking was but I will just go back to

3351
02:17:12,949 --> 02:17:10,859
this you know if we had

3352
02:17:14,919 --> 02:17:12,959
kind of let's let's let's just say there

3353
02:17:18,769 --> 02:17:14,929
was some kind of really exotic

3354
02:17:20,750 --> 02:17:18,779
technology that the Germans had and won

3355
02:17:22,549 --> 02:17:20,760
the von Braun and his group were the

3356
02:17:24,109 --> 02:17:22,559
people as I said before who created the

3357
02:17:26,959 --> 02:17:24,119
foundation of Nasser and put us on the

3358
02:17:29,599 --> 02:17:26,969
moon to put us on the moon even though

3359
02:17:31,549 --> 02:17:29,609
we did it in ten years it's it's almost

3360
02:17:33,619 --> 02:17:31,559
like the most an efficient way of

3361
02:17:35,899 --> 02:17:33,629
getting into orbit and then going to the

3362
02:17:39,139 --> 02:17:35,909
moon it's to build this massive massive

3363
02:17:42,349 --> 02:17:39,149
rocket the Saturn 5 rocket to basically

3364
02:17:44,540 --> 02:17:42,359
carry a thimble on the top to get us to

3365
02:17:46,129 --> 02:17:44,550
the moon and then to shoot us give us

3366
02:17:48,679 --> 02:17:46,139
the power to get to the moon and then to

3367
02:17:50,179 --> 02:17:48,689
come back it's almost like flying and

3368
02:17:51,559 --> 02:17:50,189
taking off in a huge airplane and then

3369
02:17:54,489 --> 02:17:51,569
Pat are shooting back I mean that's

3370
02:17:57,049 --> 02:17:54,499
really how we went to the moon if these

3371
02:17:59,569 --> 02:17:57,059
secret German scientists you know had

3372
02:18:03,009 --> 02:17:59,579
the secret technology then why would we

3373
02:18:05,959 --> 02:18:03,019
go through this whole side of NASA and

3374
02:18:08,209 --> 02:18:05,969
fueled rockets to get us yet to break

3375
02:18:10,639 --> 02:18:08,219
the bonds of gravity well why aren't we

3376
02:18:12,619 --> 02:18:10,649
using this secret technology why would

3377
02:18:15,649 --> 02:18:12,629
we go through all that if this we have

3378
02:18:17,269 --> 02:18:15,659
this other really easy technology just

3379
02:18:23,269 --> 02:18:17,279
sitting there why aren't we using that

3380
02:18:25,099 --> 02:18:23,279
it had that kind of technology well let

3381
02:18:27,109 --> 02:18:25,109
me just finish you know if we had that

3382
02:18:29,899 --> 02:18:27,119
kind of technology why would we keep it

3383
02:18:31,429 --> 02:18:29,909
a secret for the past 70 years we would

3384
02:18:34,040 --> 02:18:31,439
want it out there because that would

3385
02:18:36,409 --> 02:18:34,050
make us even a bigger top dog than the

3386
02:18:38,419 --> 02:18:36,419
United States is now so but you see

3387
02:18:40,309 --> 02:18:38,429
absolutely no evidence of any of that

3388
02:18:43,099 --> 02:18:40,319
what you the evidence that you do see is

3389
02:18:45,979 --> 02:18:43,109
that the the biggest in the best minds

3390
02:18:48,049 --> 02:18:45,989
in aeronautical research that came from

3391
02:18:49,929 --> 02:18:48,059
Germany started NASA in the way that

3392
02:18:52,279 --> 02:18:49,939
they got us to the moon was this

3393
02:18:54,379 --> 02:18:52,289
incredibly expensive and efficient

3394
02:18:56,179 --> 02:18:54,389
system of liquid fuel Rockets launching

3395
02:18:58,609 --> 02:18:56,189
thimbles into space well it's like a

3396
02:19:00,229 --> 02:18:58,619
card game sometimes if you got a winning

3397
02:19:02,149 --> 02:19:00,239
hand and you don't need to show that ace

3398
02:19:03,830 --> 02:19:02,159
in the hole you don't show it if we're

3399
02:19:06,049 --> 02:19:03,840
top dog already why do we want to be

3400
02:19:08,919 --> 02:19:06,059
even a bigger top dog I mean there are

3401
02:19:12,679 --> 02:19:08,929
some political and psychological

3402
02:19:15,229 --> 02:19:12,689
explanations for for keeping that sort

3403
02:19:18,319 --> 02:19:15,239
of exotic technology secret Richard

3404
02:19:21,859 --> 02:19:18,329
Dolan has labeled the potential sort of

3405
02:19:23,659 --> 02:19:21,869
this potential element within the power

3406
02:19:24,740 --> 02:19:23,669
and control structure the the breakaway

3407
02:19:26,120 --> 02:19:24,750
civilization

3408
02:19:27,679 --> 02:19:26,130
perhaps all these things are going on

3409
02:19:31,669 --> 02:19:27,689
but it's all being done in secret we

3410
02:19:33,679 --> 02:19:31,679
don't know what I can tell you from my

3411
02:19:36,769 --> 02:19:33,689
years of investigating in the San Luis

3412
02:19:38,929 --> 02:19:36,779
Valley which you cover in your book is I

3413
02:19:40,879 --> 02:19:38,939
think a sizeable percentage of what

3414
02:19:43,250 --> 02:19:40,889
people were reporting as exotic a

3415
02:19:46,809 --> 02:19:43,260
technology or UFOs was actually very

3416
02:19:49,429 --> 02:19:46,819
homegrown even conventional craft lit up

3417
02:19:51,889 --> 02:19:49,439
in such a way to appear to be high

3418
02:19:53,570 --> 02:19:51,899
strange so I do think that the the

3419
02:19:56,000 --> 02:19:53,580
government does play games in this

3420
02:19:57,710 --> 02:19:56,010
regard I do think the government does

3421
02:20:00,410 --> 02:19:57,720
not reveal the extent of their

3422
02:20:02,690 --> 02:20:00,420
technological prowess and and capability

3423
02:20:05,599 --> 02:20:02,700
I think that there's a very plausible

3424
02:20:09,610 --> 02:20:05,609
reasons for that if you're talking about

3425
02:20:12,110 --> 02:20:09,620
conventional control why show somebody

3426
02:20:15,290 --> 02:20:12,120
who doesn't have the control that you do

3427
02:20:17,690 --> 02:20:15,300
and your your top dog as you put it

3428
02:20:20,410 --> 02:20:17,700
why show them something else why not

3429
02:20:22,790 --> 02:20:20,420
keep it keep it back in case of

3430
02:20:24,710 --> 02:20:22,800
emergency I mean there's there's a lot

3431
02:20:27,620 --> 02:20:24,720
of rationale I personally don't feel

3432
02:20:30,860 --> 02:20:27,630
that we have the capability to do some

3433
02:20:33,320 --> 02:20:30,870
of the things that the wilder Fantasia

3434
02:20:36,380 --> 02:20:33,330
types out there wouldn't have us believe

3435
02:20:38,719 --> 02:20:36,390
I don't think that we can time travel

3436
02:20:42,019 --> 02:20:38,729
like Andrew Bassanio says I don't think

3437
02:20:44,179 --> 02:20:42,029
that we have bases on Mars already bases

3438
02:20:46,820 --> 02:20:44,189
on the moon I think that these are these

3439
02:20:49,400 --> 02:20:46,830
are confabulations and stretching into

3440
02:20:51,820 --> 02:20:49,410
the realm of sci-fi but but I do i do

3441
02:20:56,389 --> 02:20:51,830
really suspect that we have some pretty

3442
02:20:58,490 --> 02:20:56,399
pretty far-reaching and highly amazing

3443
02:20:59,510 --> 02:20:58,500
exotic technologies especially in the

3444
02:21:01,729 --> 02:20:59,520
aerial platform realm

3445
02:21:04,010 --> 02:21:01,739
well I agree with you you know I agree

3446
02:21:05,510 --> 02:21:04,020
but I agree with you that that you know

3447
02:21:08,809 --> 02:21:05,520
there's probably some things out there

3448
02:21:10,760 --> 02:21:08,819
that would blow our minds as we knew you

3449
02:21:13,780 --> 02:21:10,770
know what they could do but I also agree

3450
02:21:16,610 --> 02:21:13,790
with you that you know I believe that

3451
02:21:19,760 --> 02:21:16,620
99.99 percent of it has to be homegrown

3452
02:21:24,610 --> 02:21:19,770
and even that one one one percent has to

3453
02:21:27,950 --> 02:21:24,620
be I just don't think that you know we

3454
02:21:30,590 --> 02:21:27,960
putting anything other than what comes

3455
02:21:33,460 --> 02:21:30,600
up out of a human brain into weapons

3456
02:21:35,630 --> 02:21:33,470
systems our airplanes you know

3457
02:21:36,961 --> 02:21:35,640
classified projects I don't think

3458
02:21:40,770 --> 02:21:36,971
there's anything paranormal

3459
02:21:43,980 --> 02:21:40,780
or UFO related to this stuff because

3460
02:21:45,691 --> 02:21:43,990
there just isn't any I mean there's a

3461
02:21:47,821 --> 02:21:45,701
lot of stories out there there's just no

3462
02:21:50,161 --> 02:21:47,831
evidence there's no follow-up there's no

3463
02:21:53,220 --> 02:21:50,171
evidence of anything coming from any of

3464
02:21:55,171 --> 02:21:53,230
this reverse engineered UFO stuff that's

3465
02:21:56,850 --> 02:21:55,181
supposed to be been around for decades

3466
02:21:59,850 --> 02:21:56,860
you know the only thing I've ever heard

3467
02:22:03,390 --> 02:21:59,860
that came out of a reverse engineered

3468
02:22:06,451 --> 02:22:03,400
UFOs is velcro I mean we are still doing

3469
02:22:09,511 --> 02:22:06,461
things we fly our airplanes you know by

3470
02:22:12,031 --> 02:22:09,521
gas turbine engines we launch our

3471
02:22:14,161 --> 02:22:12,041
rockets by liquid fuel rockets okay

3472
02:22:16,291 --> 02:22:14,171
these things they're actually very

3473
02:22:17,941 --> 02:22:16,301
inefficient I only says because I used

3474
02:22:20,341 --> 02:22:17,951
to work the General Electric and did

3475
02:22:22,921 --> 02:22:20,351
work with their jet engine division and

3476
02:22:24,661 --> 02:22:22,931
a PR capacity and you know I get a

3477
02:22:26,371 --> 02:22:24,671
little bit of a knowledge on it and I

3478
02:22:29,131 --> 02:22:26,381
can tell you that a jet engine is a very

3479
02:22:32,821 --> 02:22:29,141
in a very inefficient operator right

3480
02:22:35,191 --> 02:22:32,831
yeah you bet so if they had another way

3481
02:22:36,511 --> 02:22:35,201
of doing these things and if they've

3482
02:22:39,060 --> 02:22:36,521
been sitting on it since the end of

3483
02:22:40,890 --> 02:22:39,070
World War two I suggest they get off

3484
02:22:43,470 --> 02:22:40,900
their asses and you know let's see it

3485
02:22:45,871 --> 02:22:43,480
you know because time's a-wasting well

3486
02:22:48,961 --> 02:22:45,881
what do you think of the the hacker Gary

3487
02:22:50,671 --> 02:22:48,971
McKinnon's assertion that he found some

3488
02:22:52,441 --> 02:22:50,681
document that claimed that there are a

3489
02:22:54,720 --> 02:22:52,451
hundred and fifty off-planet naval

3490
02:22:57,631 --> 02:22:54,730
officers no I mean I think that's

3491
02:22:59,730 --> 02:22:57,641
nonsense I think it's just nonsense and

3492
02:23:02,121 --> 02:22:59,740
and what are they doing I mean that's

3493
02:23:04,951 --> 02:23:02,131
I've heard that that NASA of all

3494
02:23:06,961 --> 02:23:04,961
agencies has the secret space force of

3495
02:23:08,730 --> 02:23:06,971
these people flying around out to the

3496
02:23:11,730 --> 02:23:08,740
Moon and Mars and everything no the US

3497
02:23:13,470 --> 02:23:11,740
Navy was there but what are they doing

3498
02:23:16,051 --> 02:23:13,480
are they just flying around out there

3499
02:23:18,121 --> 02:23:16,061
you're looking around and and and you

3500
02:23:20,220 --> 02:23:18,131
know do any of them get killed do the is

3501
02:23:22,321 --> 02:23:20,230
this thing you know this is this kind of

3502
02:23:24,600 --> 02:23:22,331
a project that you know that never have

3503
02:23:27,511 --> 02:23:24,610
had an accident no one's ever died in

3504
02:23:29,341 --> 02:23:27,521
the line of duty you know and that means

3505
02:23:31,831 --> 02:23:29,351
that all of their families would have to

3506
02:23:33,270 --> 02:23:31,841
keep this secret and and their families

3507
02:23:36,211 --> 02:23:33,280
would have to keep it secret these days

3508
02:23:38,251 --> 02:23:36,221
nothing it's very very hot obviously we

3509
02:23:39,901 --> 02:23:38,261
know this now with WikiLeaks and things

3510
02:23:41,640 --> 02:23:39,911
like that it's very very hard to keep a

3511
02:23:44,251 --> 02:23:41,650
secret these days and what's very

3512
02:23:47,461 --> 02:23:44,261
interesting is we have never heard

3513
02:23:49,680 --> 02:23:47,471
anything leaked out of area 51 other

3514
02:23:51,961 --> 02:23:49,690
than the fact that they had some has

3515
02:23:53,730 --> 02:23:51,971
material problems there years ago but

3516
02:23:57,180 --> 02:23:53,740
there's never been a leak out of area 51

3517
02:23:58,860 --> 02:23:57,190
I find that to be fascinating and and

3518
02:24:00,390 --> 02:23:58,870
that's either one to tell so you're

3519
02:24:02,190 --> 02:24:00,400
you're asking the question then you're

3520
02:24:04,200 --> 02:24:02,200
you're arguing with with the answer that

3521
02:24:06,001 --> 02:24:04,210
you give we got to break it here then

3522
02:24:08,490 --> 02:24:06,011
we'll go into it on next segment all

3523
02:24:10,291 --> 02:24:08,500
right we've got an honest debate going

3524
02:24:13,200 --> 02:24:10,301
here ahead of next week's debate which

3525
02:24:15,030 --> 02:24:13,210
will be on the Aztec UFO case a lot more

3526
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to come in the final segment this week

3527
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with Mack Maloney author it be on area

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51 with Jean and with an honoree Chris

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Chrissa Brian had some responses to make

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to Mack Maloney about the state of our

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secret development whether if we had

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recovered alien technology 60 years ago

3638
02:29:17,940 --> 02:29:15,970
why wouldn't we know anything about it

3639
02:29:21,000 --> 02:29:17,950
well you know what let's look at it this

3640
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way take the people in 1920 hand them an

3641
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iPhone and tell them to reverse engineer

3642
02:29:26,340 --> 02:29:25,300
at Mac right well I hear that all the

3643
02:29:28,530 --> 02:29:26,350
time when someone says what would

3644
02:29:30,600 --> 02:29:28,540
cavemen do with an f-16 but the point I

3645
02:29:32,670 --> 02:29:30,610
was gonna make about area 51 in leaks is

3646
02:29:35,190 --> 02:29:32,680
that maybe the reason you never hear any

3647
02:29:36,750 --> 02:29:35,200
leaks coming out how to bury a 51 is

3648
02:29:38,970 --> 02:29:36,760
that what they're doing there is just

3649
02:29:41,810 --> 02:29:38,980
what they kind of say they do there is

3650
02:29:44,580 --> 02:29:41,820
they're testing you know our latest

3651
02:29:46,620 --> 02:29:44,590
aerial platform spy planes or whatever

3652
02:29:48,570 --> 02:29:46,630
you've never heard any kind of leak out

3653
02:29:50,520 --> 02:29:48,580
of there about UFOs or anything you know

3654
02:29:52,620 --> 02:29:50,530
that is kind of off the map like that

3655
02:29:54,390 --> 02:29:52,630
now I agree with you what would someone

3656
02:29:55,950 --> 02:29:54,400
from the 20s do with it with a cell

3657
02:29:58,230 --> 02:29:55,960
phone I don't know but they would talk

3658
02:30:00,120 --> 02:29:58,240
about it you know and I think that maybe

3659
02:30:03,030 --> 02:30:00,130
someone would be able to figure it out

3660
02:30:05,640 --> 02:30:03,040
and then in the 1920s I don't know okay

3661
02:30:07,950 --> 02:30:05,650
but that also goes back to your earlier

3662
02:30:10,500 --> 02:30:07,960
statement you think something might have

3663
02:30:14,400 --> 02:30:10,510
happened in Aztec New Mexico so if they

3664
02:30:18,360 --> 02:30:14,410
recovered a UFO via 1948 where did it go

3665
02:30:20,580 --> 02:30:18,370
and what did we learn from it wouldn't

3666
02:30:23,310 --> 02:30:20,590
it have been reverse-engineered if it

3667
02:30:24,870 --> 02:30:23,320
was an alien craft we try at least bad I

3668
02:30:26,400 --> 02:30:24,880
don't know you know I don't think anyone

3669
02:30:29,220 --> 02:30:26,410
has the answer to that question all I

3670
02:30:31,800 --> 02:30:29,230
said about Aztec is that it to me this

3671
02:30:34,560 --> 02:30:31,810
seems to be more credible evidence that

3672
02:30:37,560 --> 02:30:34,570
something unusual happened there then at

3673
02:30:39,180 --> 02:30:37,570
Roswell and one thing was interesting

3674
02:30:41,430 --> 02:30:39,190
because I've talked to Scott Ramsey and

3675
02:30:43,230 --> 02:30:41,440
his wife a number of times and one of

3676
02:30:44,550 --> 02:30:43,240
the things I like about their book is

3677
02:30:45,900 --> 02:30:44,560
that I'm certainly going to tune in for

3678
02:30:49,050 --> 02:30:45,910
this debate that you're gonna have next

3679
02:30:51,000 --> 02:30:49,060
week is that they put in these little

3680
02:30:53,460 --> 02:30:51,010
details that you would never really

3681
02:30:55,530 --> 02:30:53,470
think about for instance they said that

3682
02:30:58,200 --> 02:30:55,540
when this thing crashed whatever it was

3683
02:30:59,400 --> 02:30:58,210
and people witnesses were gathered

3684
02:31:01,890 --> 02:30:59,410
around it and they were told the

3685
02:31:03,720 --> 02:31:01,900
military was on its way that the

3686
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military the first military presidents

3687
02:31:07,949 --> 02:31:05,140
arrived in a helicopter

3688
02:31:09,359 --> 02:31:07,959
now helicopters weren't really I mean

3689
02:31:11,399 --> 02:31:09,369
they didn't even have helicopters in

3690
02:31:13,979 --> 02:31:11,409
World War two helicopters were a new

3691
02:31:15,989 --> 02:31:13,989
exotic technology back then and when

3692
02:31:17,489 --> 02:31:15,999
people saw this helicopter coming they

3693
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didn't know what the heck it was you

3694
02:31:22,080 --> 02:31:20,140
know just those little details tells me

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you know maybe something really did

3696
02:31:25,649 --> 02:31:23,379
happen there but how do we know that

3697
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what crash there wasn't some kind of as

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we were saying before some kind of of

3699
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our own top-secret vehicle they would

3700
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have they would have done the same thing

3701
02:31:35,489 --> 02:31:33,550
they would have you know recovered it

3702
02:31:37,439 --> 02:31:35,499
and I know they had a leg lay as it's an

3703
02:31:39,479 --> 02:31:37,449
immense amande platform there so they

3704
02:31:42,300 --> 02:31:39,489
give a crane in to lift it up and you

3705
02:31:44,880 --> 02:31:42,310
know and I just don't know all I meant

3706
02:31:47,040 --> 02:31:44,890
about Aztec is that I just think that

3707
02:31:49,889 --> 02:31:47,050
there's more credible evidence that

3708
02:31:53,639 --> 02:31:49,899
something unusual happened in Aztec then

3709
02:31:55,319 --> 02:31:53,649
at for instance Roswell well you know I

3710
02:31:57,389 --> 02:31:55,329
I really don't know what to say to that

3711
02:32:00,449 --> 02:31:57,399
I've I've listened to both sides of the

3712
02:32:03,869 --> 02:32:00,459
argument both the Ramseys side I have

3713
02:32:06,330 --> 02:32:03,879
the book and of course detractors of the

3714
02:32:10,920 --> 02:32:06,340
the Aztec case of course it all falls

3715
02:32:12,889 --> 02:32:10,930
down I think to the original germ of the

3716
02:32:17,399 --> 02:32:12,899
story and in the Frank Scully

3717
02:32:20,699 --> 02:32:17,409
account and that is really fraught with

3718
02:32:22,139 --> 02:32:20,709
a lot of questionable elements there's

3719
02:32:25,170 --> 02:32:22,149
some questionable characters that help

3720
02:32:28,139 --> 02:32:25,180
get the myth started and the initial and

3721
02:32:30,300 --> 02:32:28,149
the initial going so I think the jury is

3722
02:32:32,399 --> 02:32:30,310
going to be out on all these cases until

3723
02:32:34,859 --> 02:32:32,409
somebody comes forward with some sort of

3724
02:32:37,849 --> 02:32:34,869
physical proof some sort of unassailable

3725
02:32:40,229 --> 02:32:37,859
document material from a crash site

3726
02:32:42,479 --> 02:32:40,239
photographs that can be analyzed and

3727
02:32:44,639 --> 02:32:42,489
proven to be real I think anything short

3728
02:32:47,849 --> 02:32:44,649
of that we're still just seeing that the

3729
02:32:50,699 --> 02:32:47,859
birth of new myth the birth of cultural

3730
02:32:53,010 --> 02:32:50,709
memes that are propagated by the fan

3731
02:32:55,439 --> 02:32:53,020
Fantasia types out there who take these

3732
02:32:57,479 --> 02:32:55,449
these stories and then and run with it

3733
02:33:00,750 --> 02:32:57,489
you know this whole I just read the Ken

3734
02:33:03,149 --> 02:33:00,760
Caston book project serpo which to me

3735
02:33:04,319 --> 02:33:03,159
it's one of the I mean it would make a

3736
02:33:07,409 --> 02:33:04,329
great screenplay

3737
02:33:10,439 --> 02:33:07,419
it really would but to take that at face

3738
02:33:14,279 --> 02:33:10,449
value and say yep uh-huh yep we went to

3739
02:33:16,109 --> 02:33:14,289
as a to Reticuli two of our guys died

3740
02:33:18,560 --> 02:33:16,119
the rest were able to come back and and

3741
02:33:22,191 --> 02:33:18,570
they lived out there

3742
02:33:25,041 --> 02:33:22,201
I don't know I I'm with you on on having

3743
02:33:26,691 --> 02:33:25,051
to suspend my disbelief to only to a

3744
02:33:29,001 --> 02:33:26,701
certain extent when it comes to a lot of

3745
02:33:30,470 --> 02:33:29,011
these stories Mac are you familiar with

3746
02:33:33,770 --> 02:33:30,480
the Ken Caston bookin project project

3747
02:33:35,480 --> 02:33:33,780
Sir Paul and that whole no no I mean I

3748
02:33:38,060 --> 02:33:35,490
suppose I've heard about it in passing

3749
02:33:39,501 --> 02:33:38,070
but there's only so much I can read you

3750
02:33:41,751 --> 02:33:39,511
know you know some of the stuff that

3751
02:33:43,761 --> 02:33:41,761
just seems too fantastic and and you

3752
02:33:46,341 --> 02:33:43,771
mentioned a couple people early on in

3753
02:33:49,551 --> 02:33:46,351
the program what they have gone around

3754
02:33:51,980 --> 02:33:49,561
saying I mean I I I look at it complem

3755
02:33:55,131 --> 02:33:51,990
you know more in a humorous way but it

3756
02:33:56,871 --> 02:33:55,141
just bothers me it just bothers me a lot

3757
02:33:59,241 --> 02:33:56,881
that so much of that stuff is out there

3758
02:34:01,611 --> 02:33:59,251
but it doesn't bother me it's out there

3759
02:34:03,501 --> 02:34:01,621
bothers me that people believe it well

3760
02:34:06,201 --> 02:34:03,511
it's out there because people believe it

3761
02:34:08,810 --> 02:34:06,211
in and vice versa but it really clouds

3762
02:34:11,720 --> 02:34:08,820
the whole what I think is the primary

3763
02:34:14,001 --> 02:34:11,730
issue here them is that at some point we

3764
02:34:15,921 --> 02:34:14,011
have to get the scientific community to

3765
02:34:17,781 --> 02:34:15,931
look into UFOs and I know just like

3766
02:34:19,611 --> 02:34:17,791
airline pilots don't report them

3767
02:34:21,381 --> 02:34:19,621
military pilots don't reporter no

3768
02:34:23,841 --> 02:34:21,391
scientists no credible scientist wants

3769
02:34:28,011 --> 02:34:23,851
to get anywhere near investigating UFOs

3770
02:34:30,171 --> 02:34:28,021
because it's gonna be just right exactly

3771
02:34:32,810 --> 02:34:30,181
but at some point the scientific

3772
02:34:33,861 --> 02:34:32,820
community will look into UFOs I hate to

3773
02:34:35,451 --> 02:34:33,871
say it but it's probably not gonna be

3774
02:34:37,041 --> 02:34:35,461
the American scientific community it's

3775
02:34:39,381 --> 02:34:37,051
probably gonna be the Chinese who

3776
02:34:41,480 --> 02:34:39,391
actually you know say let's look into

3777
02:34:44,361 --> 02:34:41,490
this and let's see if we can solve this

3778
02:34:47,600 --> 02:34:44,371
puzzle before that happens you know to

3779
02:34:49,911 --> 02:34:47,610
have all of this noise out there I think

3780
02:34:52,191 --> 02:34:49,921
just further clouds the issue and if the

3781
02:34:53,781 --> 02:34:52,201
government is if they do have a policy

3782
02:34:56,211 --> 02:34:53,791
of trying to keep this stuff as secret

3783
02:34:57,831 --> 02:34:56,221
as possible by disinformation and

3784
02:35:00,621 --> 02:34:57,841
deflection that all the noise out there

3785
02:35:02,511 --> 02:35:00,631
is just doing nothing but helping them

3786
02:35:05,031 --> 02:35:02,521
in that quest yeah if there was just

3787
02:35:06,770 --> 02:35:05,041
some way we could you know just just you

3788
02:35:09,201 --> 02:35:06,780
know pot the clouds of all this nonsense

3789
02:35:11,390 --> 02:35:09,211
and really get down to stuff that really

3790
02:35:14,631 --> 02:35:11,400
looks like something might have happened

3791
02:35:16,691 --> 02:35:14,641
there like Aztec they have scientists

3792
02:35:19,881 --> 02:35:16,701
actually go in look at the evidence and

3793
02:35:21,020 --> 02:35:19,891
look at it in a scientific way that's

3794
02:35:22,520 --> 02:35:21,030
the only way we're gonna fit

3795
02:35:24,801 --> 02:35:22,530
so and we're not gonna figure it out by

3796
02:35:26,180 --> 02:35:24,811
you know books that supposedly

3797
02:35:29,961 --> 02:35:26,190
nonfiction but as you say would make

3798
02:35:32,090 --> 02:35:29,971
great screenplays yeah I agree I think

3799
02:35:33,889 --> 02:35:32,100
the government is probably responsible

3800
02:35:36,889 --> 02:35:33,899
for a lot of the noise out there I think

3801
02:35:42,109 --> 02:35:36,899
it stands to reason that they would gain

3802
02:35:45,670 --> 02:35:42,119
a lot of opaqueness and uh and and it

3803
02:35:47,599 --> 02:35:45,680
would really help their process of

3804
02:35:49,639 --> 02:35:47,609
obscuring the level of their

3805
02:35:52,460 --> 02:35:49,649
technological development so let's say

3806
02:35:54,439 --> 02:35:52,470
by creating these stories by making it

3807
02:35:56,420 --> 02:35:54,449
so that scientists wouldn't get involved

3808
02:36:00,260 --> 02:35:56,430
in the public sector just out of

3809
02:36:01,910 --> 02:36:00,270
curiosity the giggle factor obviously is

3810
02:36:05,540 --> 02:36:01,920
one of the biggest hurdles that we have

3811
02:36:07,760 --> 02:36:05,550
to contend with in the UFO subject and I

3812
02:36:10,160 --> 02:36:07,770
really have a strong suspicion that

3813
02:36:12,080 --> 02:36:10,170
artful disinformation has by the

3814
02:36:14,450 --> 02:36:12,090
government has played a large part in

3815
02:36:15,830 --> 02:36:14,460
muddy in the waters well maybe what

3816
02:36:17,780 --> 02:36:15,840
they're trying to do is cover up their

3817
02:36:20,030 --> 02:36:17,790
ignorance of this stuff you know I

3818
02:36:22,429 --> 02:36:20,040
believe as I said before the US military

3819
02:36:23,809 --> 02:36:22,439
has more information about UFOs more

3820
02:36:25,580 --> 02:36:23,819
evidence that they exist but I really

3821
02:36:28,460 --> 02:36:25,590
don't think that they know where they

3822
02:36:30,290 --> 02:36:28,470
come from or who is controlling them

3823
02:36:31,760 --> 02:36:30,300
they're they're the people who are

3824
02:36:33,710 --> 02:36:31,770
charged with the security of this

3825
02:36:36,349 --> 02:36:33,720
country and for them to admit that they

3826
02:36:38,540 --> 02:36:36,359
don't know what UFOs are I think would

3827
02:36:40,280 --> 02:36:38,550
be not in their best interest so it

3828
02:36:43,880 --> 02:36:40,290
could very well be that the cover-up

3829
02:36:46,250 --> 02:36:43,890
actually is to not let us know what they

3830
02:36:50,179 --> 02:36:46,260
don't know about UFOs as opposed they do

3831
02:36:52,820 --> 02:36:50,189
know Haydn's in their the exalted state

3832
02:36:54,559 --> 02:36:52,830
of confusion well before we get too

3833
02:36:56,870 --> 02:36:54,569
confused it's about time to wrap things

3834
02:36:58,399 --> 02:36:56,880
up Mack Maloney where can we find more

3835
02:37:00,830 --> 02:36:58,409
of the things you do well the book

3836
02:37:02,630 --> 02:37:00,840
beyond area 51 is published by Putnam

3837
02:37:06,080 --> 02:37:02,640
press so it's in every bookstore across

3838
02:37:08,240 --> 02:37:06,090
the country and in Canada and attack on

3839
02:37:11,540 --> 02:37:08,250
the area 51 is a $2 download from

3840
02:37:13,429 --> 02:37:11,550
amazon.com the best place to go you have

3841
02:37:15,080 --> 02:37:13,439
to the publisher always once we remind

3842
02:37:17,059 --> 02:37:15,090
people to go in into their local

3843
02:37:19,580 --> 02:37:17,069
bookstores but if you can just go to

3844
02:37:21,139 --> 02:37:19,590
amazon.com and type in Mac maloney and

3845
02:37:23,990 --> 02:37:21,149
you'll see all the stuff that we've been

3846
02:37:27,920 --> 02:37:24,000
doing a reminder that next week we have

3847
02:37:30,439 --> 02:37:27,930
the monumental Aztec rate debate did I

3848
02:37:32,540 --> 02:37:30,449
say monumental we'll be featuring Scott

3849
02:37:36,500 --> 02:37:32,550
Ramsey who was one of the authors of a

3850
02:37:39,530 --> 02:37:36,510
book that is in favor of the possibility

3851
02:37:42,800 --> 02:37:39,540
that there was a UFO crash at Aztec New

3852
02:37:45,620 --> 02:37:42,810
Mexico in 1948 on the other side of the

3853
02:37:48,620 --> 02:37:45,630
coin we'll be featuring Kevin Randle who

3854
02:37:50,570 --> 02:37:48,630
said there's absolutely nothing to it

3855
02:37:53,570 --> 02:37:50,580
and listeners you have a chance to post

3856
02:37:56,690 --> 02:37:53,580
your own questions at forum dot the para

3857
02:37:58,670 --> 02:37:56,700
cast comm check out our forums check out

3858
02:38:01,160 --> 02:37:58,680
the question Bank to post your question

3859
02:38:02,630 --> 02:38:01,170
ahead of next week's episode Chris has

3860
02:38:04,639 --> 02:38:02,640
some great stuff coming out he's got a

3861
02:38:06,830 --> 02:38:04,649
new book that he's working on that will

3862
02:38:09,469 --> 02:38:06,840
be out probably in a month or two called

3863
02:38:11,810 --> 02:38:09,479
stalking the heard all about cattle

3864
02:38:13,880 --> 02:38:11,820
mutilations and about a reality check as

3865
02:38:16,639 --> 02:38:13,890
to what they really are his site is our

3866
02:38:19,280 --> 02:38:16,649
strange planet calm that's our strange

3867
02:38:21,950 --> 02:38:19,290
planet calm you can find us on Twitter

3868
02:38:24,650 --> 02:38:21,960
where we are known as the para cast once

3869
02:38:27,740 --> 02:38:24,660
again that's the para cast on Twitter we

3870
02:38:30,410 --> 02:38:27,750
are on Facebook there are two para cast

3871
02:38:32,120 --> 02:38:30,420
fan clubs under one account we want to

3872
02:38:35,300 --> 02:38:32,130
combine them anyone who can help us we

3873
02:38:38,000 --> 02:38:35,310
appreciate it or just visit us at the

3874
02:38:40,580 --> 02:38:38,010
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3875
02:38:42,380 --> 02:38:40,590
Mack Maloney thank you so much for

3876
02:38:44,510 --> 02:38:42,390
talking with us this week on the para

3877
02:38:46,370 --> 02:38:44,520
cast well thanks very much and I want to

3878
02:38:47,929 --> 02:38:46,380
thank Chris for helping me put that

3879
02:38:49,400 --> 02:38:47,939
chapter together on the st. Louis Valley

3880
02:38:55,801 --> 02:38:49,410
in the book thanks a lot Chris my

3881
02:39:02,200 --> 02:38:59,320
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3882
02:39:05,190 --> 02:39:02,210
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3883
02:39:08,921 --> 02:39:05,200
presentation of making the impossible